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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
Kausha
#1101 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:48:57 PM
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What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.
obiero
#1102 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:53:52 PM
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Kausha wrote:
What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.

That project was very necessary. Ethiopian would have closed down KQ with their sleek 787s
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
maka
#1103 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:15:20 PM
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obiero wrote:
Kausha wrote:
What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.

That project was very necessary. Ethiopian would have closed down KQ with their sleek 787s


It wasn't necessary @Obiero and TN was told we dint need all those planes at once rather at that fast paced interval....he was effing told...look at the end result...Ethiopian airlines have,will and are having a field.day out of all this...aaaarrrggh.
possunt quia posse videntur
maka
#1104 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:28:26 PM
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Kausha wrote:
What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.

On point...

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=7270&p=45

Post 895 if am not wrong....
possunt quia posse videntur
Gatheuzi
#1105 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 7:22:10 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:

Fake advice as they come what would take ARM to 50's zone just like that wajameni!!!!


On that one the analyst must have been a rare weed.Also disputable is a sell recommendation on Stanbic. KENGN at 17 also appears far fetched.
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
VituVingiSana
#1106 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 7:43:52 AM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Kausha wrote:
What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.

That project was very necessary. Ethiopian would have closed down KQ with their sleek 787s


It wasn't necessary @Obiero and TN was told we dint need all those planes at once rather at that fast paced interval....he was effing told...look at the end result...Ethiopian airlines have,will and are having a field.day out of all this...aaaarrrggh.

Read what Delta did. They bought and use cheaper old(er) planes which they obsessively clean and maintain. And Delta is profitable.

http://m.deseretnews.com...nes-in-2013.html?pg=all

KQ's 'partner' KLM/AF is broke. And making losses.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1107 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 7:46:07 AM
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obiero wrote:
Titus Naikunyi.. The shame of Africa
Pole sana. Do not say we did not warn you!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
murchr
#1108 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 7:49:47 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Kausha wrote:
What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.

That project was very necessary. Ethiopian would have closed down KQ with their sleek 787s


It wasn't necessary @Obiero and TN was told we dint need all those planes at once rather at that fast paced interval....he was effing told...look at the end result...Ethiopian airlines have,will and are having a field.day out of all this...aaaarrrggh.

Read what Delta did. They bought and use cheaper old(er) planes which they obsessively clean and maintain. And Delta is profitable.

http://m.deseretnews.com...nes-in-2013.html?pg=all

KQ's 'partner' KLM/AF is broke. And making losses.



Delta's profit fell 74% due to an increase of operating expenses. Clearly old planes did not help. Rather American are flying more traffic increased by 3.7%.

KQ has to work on cutting expenses. They seem to forget that they operate in a third world. That's where Ethiopian beats them, they operate more new planes at a lower cost.

Still making money from hedging, interesting, balance on $ vs oil.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#1109 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 8:36:07 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Kausha wrote:
What is scary is that they borrowed to service another loan and are definitely defaulting this year. Cant see where they will get 40B. Time to shut down pj mawingu and return to basics.

That project was very necessary. Ethiopian would have closed down KQ with their sleek 787s


It wasn't necessary @Obiero and TN was told we dint need all those planes at once rather at that fast paced interval....he was effing told...look at the end result...Ethiopian airlines have,will and are having a field.day out of all this...aaaarrrggh.

Read what Delta did. They bought and use cheaper old(er) planes which they obsessively clean and maintain. And Delta is profitable.

http://m.deseretnews.com...nes-in-2013.html?pg=all

KQ's 'partner' KLM/AF is broke. And making losses.



Delta's profit fell 74% due to an increase of operating expenses. Clearly old planes did not help. Rather American are flying more traffic increased by 3.7%.

KQ has to work on cutting expenses. They seem to forget that they operate in a third world. That's where Ethiopian beats them, they operate more new planes at a lower cost.

Still making money from hedging, interesting, balance on $ vs oil.
Comprehensive Income shows Hedging Losses > Realized Gains on Hedges
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hisah
#1110 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:04:43 AM
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@vvs - are they still hedging on oil? Haven't looked at the results. If so, with oil prices cratering and should it remain so by Mar 2015 (FY) with $>90 those hedging losses will be worse...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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