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iris
#101 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2019 10:03:47 AM
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obiero wrote:
Siringi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Siringi wrote:
Shocking detail of local SGR owners is it Mobitelea all over again?

Kenya signed a secret agreement with the Chinese allowing a mystery company with unknown local shareholders to run the Standard Gauge Railway, documents seen by the Sunday Nation show.


Publicly, China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC), a State-owned Chinese company with Kenyan offices, will run the trains for 10 years, but a “special purpose operating company” was formed in May 2017 to run the operations.

Why wouldn't we want local shareholders in SGR? They should list the bloody thing on NSE for all I know.. It's on our soil and public ownership is encouraged


Simple question really who are these mysterious local partners and how were they sourced and for what consideration

we were shafted on the Safaricom IPO by Mobitelea this is another Mobitelea in the offing

Sensationalism


The question then is why have they been secretive?
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VituVingiSana
#102 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2019 10:18:52 AM
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Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana
#103 Posted : Monday, June 10, 2019 10:20:26 AM
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Gathige wrote:
Siringi wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Siringi wrote:
CS James Macharia Defends Loss making SGR on sentimental value... Profit and Loss doesnt capture the full picture Every where i go they call me the father of SGR smile smile Applause

The ticket price is basically too low

True there Obiero
Before The president launched it,the Chinese were not for the low fares GoK announced.
The economy class wasn't supposed to be there,the cheapest fare and class was the current first class which was to be economy class then business and first class just like we have for air travel.

KES 1,000 for the comfort on offer is bad business costing.. They should aim to reprice it at KES 2,000


Passenger Service was not and is not the core business of SGR. Cargo Is. But even Cargo the arithmetic is not making sense. The pricing vis-à-vis trucking is like heaven and earth .
The feasibility study must have been bullcrap



SGR like many public enterprises will never return a profit or ven pay back in our life' time. I doubt even the Chinese expect us to repay the loans comfortably but they keeep pumping funds as part of their global belts projects.

Our SGR is just like our our KQ, a source of national pride but a disgraced enterprise which turn losses years round.
"Source of National Pride"? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Neither.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Milefeyk
#104 Posted : Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:07:54 PM
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I have always been quite sceptical about this sort of development in state. These situations could be seen in past on several occasions. First government says that they dont have money to finish project, and then some mysterious saviour shows up and bring money !? I mean, what’s going on?
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obiero
#105 Posted : Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:14:58 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.

That thing moves at 120kph which isn't world's apart from 160kph

KQ ABP 4.26
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maka
#106 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2019 4:42:06 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.

That thing moves at 120kph which isn't world's apart from 160kph


Worlds apart my friend...
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hardwood
#107 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:57:40 PM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.

That thing moves at 120kph which isn't world's apart from 160kph


Worlds apart my friend...


I always feel uncomfortable when I drive at 120kph and thus I stick to 100kph max. If anyone wants higher speeds they can take obiero's KQ to mombasa.
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VituVingiSana
#108 Posted : Thursday, July 18, 2019 10:54:06 PM
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hardwood wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.

That thing moves at 120kph which isn't world's apart from 160kph


Worlds apart my friend...


I always feel uncomfortable when I drive at 120kph and thus I stick to 100kph max. If anyone wants higher speeds they can take obiero's KQ to mombasa.
We were discussing train(not car/vehicle) speeds.

160km/h is 33% faster than 120 km/h
Nairobi to Mombasa in 2.5 hours vs 3.33 hours. That's a huge difference when one considers the train daily frequencies can be increased using the same equipment.

It has an even greater impact for Mombasa-Kisumu trips.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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freiks
#109 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2019 10:16:21 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
hardwood wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.

That thing moves at 120kph which isn't world's apart from 160kph


Worlds apart my friend...


I always feel uncomfortable when I drive at 120kph and thus I stick to 100kph max. If anyone wants higher speeds they can take obiero's KQ to mombasa.
We were discussing train(not car/vehicle) speeds.

160km/h is 33% faster than 120 km/h
Nairobi to Mombasa in 2.5 hours vs 3.33 hours. That's a huge difference when one considers the train daily frequencies can be increased using the same equipment.

It has an even greater impact for Mombasa-Kisumu trips.

But the SGR management is crazy, the NRB -MSA express train was full since yesterday for today )friday) why not increase wagons on friday to cater for extra passengers?
Life is an endless adventure
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Swenani
#110 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2019 2:34:30 PM
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freiks wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
hardwood wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Conquestador wrote:
Is increasing the frequency of passenger train a better option? Have a train each direction every 2hrs. Make ticketing simple and straight forward.

Obtain faster engines to do Nrb-MSA in 3 hours
Can the line even handle trains running at 160 Km/h? In China, they have true high-speed trains going at 300+ km/h.

That thing moves at 120kph which isn't world's apart from 160kph


Worlds apart my friend...


I always feel uncomfortable when I drive at 120kph and thus I stick to 100kph max. If anyone wants higher speeds they can take obiero's KQ to mombasa.
We were discussing train(not car/vehicle) speeds.

160km/h is 33% faster than 120 km/h
Nairobi to Mombasa in 2.5 hours vs 3.33 hours. That's a huge difference when one considers the train daily frequencies can be increased using the same equipment.

It has an even greater impact for Mombasa-Kisumu trips.

But the SGR management is crazy, the NRB -MSA express train was full since yesterday for today )friday) why not increase wagons on friday to cater for extra passengers?


Why should they increase the trains or wagons for your one weekend convenience?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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