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Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms  Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.  Now this is witch hunting  Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Kratos wrote:Quote:The law offers
remedies to a person
aggrieved by reputational injury from
defamat
ory publications.
In this
regard, t
he first and most important
thing to note is that a suit for
defamation
in Kenya
must be brought
w
ithin 12 months from the date on
which the defamatory
statement(s)
is
made
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Also not that the case of the
aggrieved party is strengthened where
a person aggrieved by defamatory
statements
prior to filing an action in
court
require
s
the maker
of the
statement
complained of to retract the
statement
and
apologise
.
Such
retraction
a
n
d
or apology has to be
made with
the same prominence that
the statement complained of was
made.
The defence
s available where one is
accused of defamation
are justification,
fair comment, public interest, and
privilege/immunity.
For instance, l
aw
makers h
ave the immunity from
prosecution for statements made in the
course of their legislative duties
since
they have to execute their mandate
without fear of prosecution.
On the
other hand,
publishers of statements
that
may
be
perceived
to
be
defamatory
have
a
defence
if
publication was
due to public intere
st
or formed part of fair comment
which
is also closely related to justification
.
Fair comment has to be made in
utmost good faith and based on
substantiated facts.
A
person relying
on the aforesaid grounds as defence
for defamation has to prove the
justification,
good
faith
or
fair
comment
. Am really trying to understand BM's end game here. I thought the onus is upon him to prove that indeed the DP was involved in any action that led to the demise of Juma. How do stories about being a "hustler" and the negative connotation that goes with that name among many other sideshows help his defence? How does a counter suit that is not even related come into play? Nope The Plaintiff is William Samoei Ruto The Defendant is Boniface Mwangi The Plaintiff first proves his case and the Defendant tenders a defence. A Counterclaim is what we call a suit within a suit. After WSR calls his witnesses (and mind you he MUST testify) he will rest his case BM will then call witnesses in his defence and simultaneously attempt to prove his case against WSR.The Court can either;Find for WSR Dismiss the case against BM and find for BM or; Dismiss both claims. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/24/2010 Posts: 637 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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keraka wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect. I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2008 Posts: 478 Location: Old Trafford
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murchr wrote:keraka wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect. I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ? Am also wondering the relevance, the learned friends here can enlighten
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Bree wrote:murchr wrote:keraka wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect. I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ? Am also wondering the relevance, the learned friends here can enlighten Stop wondering and start waxing If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him @murchr that's what I thought. Gitobu has seen something to keep him in the public domain. But then one of the articles reported mwangi's defence team includes constitutional lawyer wachira maina. The latter is one bright legal mind. Seems to me like the plan is to destroy wsr permanently. Mwangi is just a pawn in the grand scheme of things.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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FRM2011 wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him @murchr that's what I thought. Gitobu has seen something to keep him in the public domain. But then one of the articles reported mwangi's defence team includes constitutional lawyer wachira maina. The latter is one bright legal mind. Seems to me like the plan is to destroy wsr permanently. Mwangi is just a pawn in the grand scheme of things. The constitutional lawyer -very anti-jubilee from his articles- could be there for the $$. Who says no to money? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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murchr wrote:keraka wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect. I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ? Not sure you believe what you wrote there. What political mileage can he gain being against the DP in a jubilee dominated area? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:keraka wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wa_ithaka wrote:Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration forms Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records. There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying. Now this is witch hunting Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect. I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ? Not sure you believe what you wrote there. What political mileage can he gain being against the DP in a jubilee dominated area? He knows he cannot win at home but he can be nominated. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Nominated by who, surely!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? Politricks is a very dirty game. Even Bishop Wanjiru was a woman, and Ababu has his party now "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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So is BM footing the legal fees?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? Politricks is a very dirty game. Even Bishop Wanjiru was a woman, and Ababu has his party now Bishop Wanjiru was never played, she didn't have the right papers and she knew it and that is why she went back to school and graduated. Ababu fiasco Baba has been pushing for Dr. Zani and she is currently holding that position so how would she be removed plus the coast factor. Hiyo ya SG would be a murky affair In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? Politricks is a very dirty game. Even Bishop Wanjiru was a woman, and Ababu has his party now Bishop Wanjiru was never played, she didn't have the right papers and she knew it and that is why she went back to school and graduated. Ababu fiasco Baba has been pushing for Dr. Zani and she is currently holding that position so how would she be removed plus the coast factor. Hiyo ya SG would be a murky affair She had some "papers" she was made to believe would be used, but she was shown the door at the last minute. Stay tuned "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? Politricks is a very dirty game. Even Bishop Wanjiru was a woman, and Ababu has his party now Bishop Wanjiru was never played, she didn't have the right papers and she knew it and that is why she went back to school and graduated. Ababu fiasco Baba has been pushing for Dr. Zani and she is currently holding that position so how would she be removed plus the coast factor. Hiyo ya SG would be a murky affair She had some "papers" she was made to believe would be used, but she was shown the door at the last minute. Stay tuned Hakuna why did she go back to study and graduated from St. Paul's University last year. Don't defend the indefensible. If the papers were good, why didn't she relax and wait for the next elections without going back to university In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? Politricks is a very dirty game. Even Bishop Wanjiru was a woman, and Ababu has his party now Bishop Wanjiru was never played, she didn't have the right papers and she knew it and that is why she went back to school and graduated. Ababu fiasco Baba has been pushing for Dr. Zani and she is currently holding that position so how would she be removed plus the coast factor. Hiyo ya SG would be a murky affair She had some "papers" she was made to believe would be used, but she was shown the door at the last minute. Stay tuned Hakuna why did she go back to study and graduated from St. Paul's University last year. Don't defend the indefensible. If the papers were good, why didn't she relax and wait for the next elections without going back to university For show, making a statement. Didn't the media rush to take pictures? Politicians do everything to please the voters eyes "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Nominated by who, surely!!! There was talk that he was the preferred person to be ODM sec general. How will Dr. Zani be played being a woman and the fiasco with Ababu, just asking? Politricks is a very dirty game. Even Bishop Wanjiru was a woman, and Ababu has his party now Bishop Wanjiru was never played, she didn't have the right papers and she knew it and that is why she went back to school and graduated. Ababu fiasco Baba has been pushing for Dr. Zani and she is currently holding that position so how would she be removed plus the coast factor. Hiyo ya SG would be a murky affair She had some "papers" she was made to believe would be used, but she was shown the door at the last minute. Stay tuned Hakuna why did she go back to study and graduated from St. Paul's University last year. Don't defend the indefensible. If the papers were good, why didn't she relax and wait for the next elections without going back to university For show, making a statement. Didn't the media rush to take pictures? Politicians do everything to please the voters eyes Anyway she didn't have the right papers for Governorship in 2013. People like to blame Baba for their own failures. Even a Bishop In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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