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SHOCKED - Less than 15,000 Nairobian's earning above 100k
Rankaz13
#101 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2014 9:01:49 PM
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its2013 wrote:
Now I see why my insurance agent treats me like family smile


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#102 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:42:11 AM
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its2013 wrote:
Now I see why my insurance agent treats me like family smile


Me too. We give them income for life.
icecube
#103 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:45:00 AM
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smano wrote:
icecube wrote:
smano wrote:
Just seen this thread.

I'm in the insurance business and around 200 - 300 of our agents make at least over Ksh.100k in commissions every month. When you compare that with the number of agents we have ( just around 2,000 agents) then that figure of 15,000 sounds feasible. I was surprised to find out from the Haas Consult property survey that there are only 20,000 mortgages being serviced in Kenya - I thought it was a typo and that they meant 200,000!

Just goes to show you the disparity there is in this country...

Hey, in your insurance business, are these agents earning over Ksh100k in commissions per month because they bring in new clients per month or they earn the commissions on monthly premiums paid? or Even if they don't bring in any new clients?


Wololo!!! Poleni sana, I totally forgot about this and didn't think there was any interest..seems @Impunity knows me well....in terms of the threads I contribute in the most.

Anyway, the most insurance companies in the country pay around 40% commission on premiums for every premium received.

In most scenarios, you'll earn 40% per premium for the first year, then 20% per premium for the 2nd year and maybe 10% year 4-5 and then 5% from year 5 to 10.

So you're basically earning for all previous biz and any new biz for as long as the client is paying premium.

If your client is a good client and pays premiums consistently for 1 year (12 months), we give you a 13th month persistency bonus (paid after 15 months, technicalities of when a policy is considered as lapsed). That 13th month persistency bonus is a percentage of all commissions earned in that 1 year, and there's also a 25th month and a 37th month bonus.

Ofcourse selling insurance is very challenging but the guys doing it very well are extremely successful. Remember tax is 10% withholding


Thanks for the info. So it seems like the agents earn commissions for any premium paid, new or old..
smano
#104 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:11:29 AM
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Yes @icecube...then there are those times you get a business man who likes paying annually because of the nature of the business...so you get a guy paying like 250k per month x 12 = 3M, the agent makes a cool 1.2M before 10% withholding tax. It has happened a few times with some of the top agents.

Then there are those guys who are able to snatch a big corporate group medical or group life account from a broker. Let's just say the commission there can set you up for life if well invested. Those ones are few and far in between.

So in short ladies and gentlemen, you can make a pretty decent sum selling insurance - if you have dogged determination, are persistent like a rash, and have hunger for money. I've seen guys who have been retrenched come here and make more money in 2 years than they did in 10. Holla if you're that type of person, I can give you more details.
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icecube
#105 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:20:36 AM
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smano wrote:
Yes @icecube...then there are those times you get a business man who likes paying annually because of the nature of the business...so you get a guy paying like 250k per month x 12 = 3M, the agent makes a cool 1.2M before 10% withholding tax. It has happened a few times with some of the top agents.

Then there are those guys who are able to snatch a big corporate group medical or group life account from a broker. Let's just say the commission there can set you up for life if well invested. Those ones are few and far in between.

So in short ladies and gentlemen, you can make a pretty decent sum selling insurance - if you have dogged determination, are persistent like a rash, and have hunger for money. I've seen guys who have been retrenched come here and make more money in 2 years than they did in 10. Holla if you're that type of person, I can give you more details.

Where?
Swenani
#106 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:47:32 AM
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icecube wrote:
its2013 wrote:
Now I see why my insurance agent treats me like family smile


Me too. We give them income for life.


commission of 40% is quite huge even if its in the first year only..wah!!!!!
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smano
#107 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:33:23 AM
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icecube wrote:
smano wrote:
Yes @icecube...then there are those times you get a business man who likes paying annually because of the nature of the business...so you get a guy paying like 250k per month x 12 = 3M, the agent makes a cool 1.2M before 10% withholding tax. It has happened a few times with some of the top agents.

Then there are those guys who are able to snatch a big corporate group medical or group life account from a broker. Let's just say the commission there can set you up for life if well invested. Those ones are few and far in between.

So in short ladies and gentlemen, you can make a pretty decent sum selling insurance - if you have dogged determination, are persistent like a rash, and have hunger for money. I've seen guys who have been retrenched come here and make more money in 2 years than they did in 10. Holla if you're that type of person, I can give you more details.

Where?


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The insurance company that has had a thematic campaign in every media for the past couple of months....aaiii!
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webish
#108 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:51:12 AM
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Swenani wrote:
icecube wrote:
its2013 wrote:
Now I see why my insurance agent treats me like family smile


Me too. We give them income for life.


commission of 40% is quite huge even if its in the first year only..wah!!!!!


Interesting. I wonder, do they have targets which are time based? And which, if not met, they get penalized? like in general sales oriented organizations?

Or is it a matter of, whatever you bring, is what you get commision from?

What about retainer? (or is it pure commisions!).

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smano
#109 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:02:15 AM
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webish wrote:
Swenani wrote:
icecube wrote:
its2013 wrote:
Now I see why my insurance agent treats me like family smile


Me too. We give them income for life.


commission of 40% is quite huge even if its in the first year only..wah!!!!!


Interesting. I wonder, do they have targets which are time based? And which, if not met, they get penalized? like in general sales oriented organizations?

Or is it a matter of, whatever you bring, is what you get commision from?

What about retainer? (or is it pure commisions!).


Tied agents have targets and benefits tied to sales numbers. Independent agents don't.

There's no retainer, maybe some brief initial support for tied agents.
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#110 Posted : Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:53:03 PM
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Figures from <a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/Treasury%20eases%20workers%20tax%20burden%20%20/-/539550/885376/-/view/printVersion/-/15f8380z/-/index.html> BD </a> show that 3.7% of 1.2m workers earn more than 120,000 Kes a month. That is about 44,000 workers. We can safely assume that more than 20,000 of them are Nairobians so this should answer this question once and for all.
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