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Kibaki's Legacy
AlphDoti
#101 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:47:43 PM
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I cannot help but quote someone who calls himself Chebusit. Nobody would have put it the way he has candidly done.

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In summary
Kibaki’s administration could be summarized by very few words – selfish, tribalistic, corrupt, and characterized by indescribable level of impunity and arrogance.
We have seen the kind of skewed development plans and distribution of prime government jobs in favor of people from his ethnicity.
For instance, look at the 10 commissions and two independent offices that the constitution created.
Is there any of these 12 institutions that is either not headed by Kibaki’s lieutenant or a member in any of them?

Lessons that should be learnt
We must learn from history that many relatively developed countries like the following disintegrated:
- The former Yugoslavia disintegrated because of tribalism/ethnicity!
- Nigeria with superhighways and oil is less peaceful because of high level of corruption, triablism and religious strife.
- Libya with one of the best road and electricity infrastructure and vast oil reserves is smoldering in ethnicity and lack of peace.
- Democratic Republic of Congo with immense mineral and natural wealth is up in ethnic flames and incessant wars from election to election!

Intrastructure
This is should start with national highways that connect all parts of the country and those that have the greatest impact on development,
then move on to tertiary roads that Kibaki’s leadership started with.
Why should any leadership rush to start a new road and railway infrastructure (Lamu-South Sudan, Lamu-Ethiopia) when the Mombasa-Malava, Nakuru-Kisumu major railway lines that cut across the economically production regions of the country’s is decaying with unbelievable levels of neglect?. Why rush to try to connect the coast province to the South Sudan when the government of South Sudan is still struggling to create leadership structures as well still being involved in wars with the Sudan?

Constitution
A good leader plays by the law and the traditional already established!
The current government also went ahead to break the tradition of the retirement age that previous governments had established just to keep most of his buddies in government positions longer than necessary.The tradition was that elderly civil servants (after age 55) create room for a younger generation coming out of college and to ensure that they also get a chance to serve in the government and be proud of.
Did you know average life expectancy of Kenyans is in the tune of 45?
Now tell me how many will live to see their pension?

Tribalism
There is no ethnic community that is 33% of the country’s population!
The most populous community is only 17% of the total population and to allow 33% to persist in any public institution is to actually legalize tribalism.
What about communities which make less than 0.1% of the population?

Ganging up
Those who have acquired public assets and institutions through unethical means become very nervous when they hear of a possibility of Raila’s presidency!
That could explain why they have ganged up to malign other leaders who have great potential to become the next president, particularly Raila.
They do this in various political forums, media, and some in government official channels...

The Kibaki fiascos
Appointing Ringera for a second term without parliamentary approval,
the insertion of words in the new constitution at the government printers,
the under-the-table appointments of CJ/AG/DPP behind the PM's back,
forgery on the Police Service Commission rank list made in the OP,
the appointment of County Commissioners (a post that doesn't exist now) to ghost counties (to take effect after the election),
arm twisting the IEBC to announce the March 2013 election date, et al
These point to the fact that Kibaki is determined to prolong his stay, God forbid, if possible for ever.

Summing up
I can't say how I rue the day I voted for Kibaki in 2002!
In one year he proved beyond doubt I had been fooled by his pseudo democratic credentials!
We tried in 2007 to correct the anomaly and we did succeed, but failed to dislodge him thanks to an inept, invertebrate, tribal fanged ECK, hand-picked by Kibaki himself

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nostoppingthis
#102 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:02:37 AM
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@ AlphDoti...well put Applause Applause Applause , especially the fact that we were duped in 2002...
Jus Blazin
#103 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:38:55 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@ AlphDoti...well put Applause Applause Applause , especially the fact that we were duped in 2002...

I still ask, what has RAO done in the seven years since 2002 that he's been in government? More so the four years he's been the PM?

The best way to talk about someone's legacy is to look at what was there before he came and what is there right now. Compare MK to JK and DT. We shouldn't spend so much time whining about the what nots. Yes, it's good to reflect, but after reflecting, what next? The question is, where are we now, and who among the candidates for the upcoming GE can take us where we want to be? Definitely we've progressed over the past 9 years, in as much as we were looking for more, much more. So let's stop too much whining, do a CBA and see who among the candidates can give us better returns for the next five years.

Otherwise, too many complaints about being duped in 2002 will not help. If all we do is complain, hata 2022, we may complain we were duped in 2012. My Humble Opinion
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
alma
#104 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:49:15 PM
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Joined: 7/20/2007
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alphi

I bow down.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
kiash
#105 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:16:09 PM
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Joined: 4/27/2010
Posts: 951
Location: Nyumbani
AlphDoti wrote:
I cannot help but quote someone who calls himself Chebusit. Nobody would have put it the way he has candidly done.

Quote:
<BEGIN>

In summary
Kibaki’s administration could be summarized by very few words – selfish, tribalistic, corrupt, and characterized by indescribable level of impunity and arrogance.
We have seen the kind of skewed development plans and distribution of prime government jobs in favor of people from his ethnicity.
For instance, look at the 10 commissions and two independent offices that the constitution created.
Is there any of these 12 institutions that is either not headed by Kibaki’s lieutenant or a member in any of them?

Dont have the records . Might be true to some point

Lessons that should be learnt
We must learn from history that many relatively developed countries like the following disintegrated:
- The former Yugoslavia disintegrated because of tribalism/ethnicity!
- Nigeria with superhighways and oil is less peaceful because of high level of corruption, triablism and religious strife.
- Libya with one of the best road and electricity infrastructure and vast oil reserves is smoldering in ethnicity and lack of peace.
- Democratic Republic of Congo with immense mineral and natural wealth is up in ethnic flames and incessant wars from election to election!

TRUE

Intrastructure
This is should start with national highways that connect all parts of the country and those that have the greatest impact on development,
then move on to tertiary roads that Kibaki’s leadership started with.
Why should any leadership rush to start a new road and railway infrastructure (Lamu-South Sudan, Lamu-Ethiopia) when the Mombasa-Malava, Nakuru-Kisumu major railway lines that cut across the economically production regions of the country’s is decaying with unbelievable levels of neglect?. Why rush to try to connect the coast province to the South Sudan when the government of South Sudan is still struggling to create leadership structures as well still being involved in wars with the Sudan?

True to some point, the point has been discussed here every now and then why Thika road was to be expanded. Depended on the number of cars that use the road. I do not know why people think Thika road was developed coz it’s in Central; unless you want to say the people who live in Pangani through Githurai to Thika are all kiuks.
Mombasa Malava, Nakuru Kisumu are not the most economically productive regions in Kenya, you could have said some place in Rift valley I would have agreed with you at some point.




Constitution
A good leader plays by the law and the traditional already established!
The current government also went ahead to break the tradition of the retirement age that previous governments had established just to keep most of his buddies in government positions longer than necessary.The tradition was that elderly civil servants (after age 55) create room for a younger generation coming out of college and to ensure that they also get a chance to serve in the government and be proud of.
Did you know average life expectancy of Kenyans is in the tune of 45?
Now tell me how many will live to see their pension?

True .So many more laws were broken, no one talks about the law on ethics can’t remember the title which required anyone holding a public office to declare his her wealth.

Tribalism
There is no ethnic community that is 33% of the country’s population!
The most populous community is only 17% of the total population and to allow 33% to persist in any public institution is to actually legalize tribalism.
What about communities which make less than 0.1% of the population?

The time you start classifying people according to their ethnic community you also become a tribalist. You join the league when you start by giving us the reports about 1% of such and such a tribe.

Ganging up
Those who have acquired public assets and institutions through unethical means become very nervous when they hear of a possibility of Raila’s presidency!
That could explain why they have ganged up to malign other leaders who have great potential to become the next president, particularly Raila.
They do this in various political forums, media, and some in government official channels...


However sure I might not be, we have heard stories of the Molasses company and not that long ago we heard about some demolitions that went on in Syokimau might be on some ones land , Raila was even in court think at the beginning of the year on issues of certain land at the coast . So please call a spade a spade and there are no holy cows in the govt.


The Kibaki fiascos
Appointing Ringera for a second term without parliamentary approval,
the insertion of words in the new constitution at the government printers,
the under-the-table appointments of CJ/AG/DPP behind the PM's back,
forgery on the Police Service Commission rank list made in the OP,
the appointment of County Commissioners (a post that doesn't exist now) to ghost counties (to take effect after the election),
arm twisting the IEBC to announce the March 2013 election date, et al
These point to the fact that Kibaki is determined to prolong his stay, God forbid, if possible for ever.

True to some point. On the election date, I thought MK said he followed the court’s decision. I know that Raila announced that he was favorable for December polls, but you forget that the courts said the elections could be held if the two coalition partners decided to finish the coalition so “These point to the fact that Kibaki is determined to prolong his stay, God forbid, if possible forever” think you should add Raila to the quote also.


Summing up
I can't say how I rue the day I voted for Kibaki in 2002!
In one year he proved beyond doubt I had been fooled by his pseudo democratic credentials!
We tried in 2007 to correct the anomaly and we did succeed, but failed to dislodge him thanks to an inept, invertebrate, tribal fanged ECK, hand-picked by Kibaki himself

I remember Kibaki wanted to change Kivuitu and some people said that if he was to change him, its coz he wanted to put someone of his choice so that he could control the election results. So he stuck with Kivuitu since he was there even in 2002 and everyone was happy until things went otherwise.
So quoting Chebusitt shows that at some point you are both biased its evident to who your choice is



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nostoppingthis
#106 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:24:53 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 8/24/2009
Posts: 5,909
Location: Nairobi
Jus Blazin wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@ AlphDoti...well put Applause Applause Applause , especially the fact that we were duped in 2002...

I still ask, what has RAO done in the seven years since 2002 that he's been in government? More so the four years he's been the PM?

The best way to talk about someone's legacy is to look at what was there before he came and what is there right now. Compare him to JK and DT. We shouldn't spend so much time whining about the what nots. Yes, it's good to reflect, but after reflecting, what next? The question is, where are we now, and who among the candidates for the upcoming GE can take us where we want to be? Definitely we've progressed over the past 9 years, in as much as we were looking for more, much more. So let's stop too much whining, do a CBA and see who among the candidates can give us better returns for the next five years.

Otherwise, too many complaints about being duped in 2002 will not help. If all we do is complain, hata 2022, we may complain we were duped in 2012. My Humble Opinion


This is akin to saying put your tribe mates in all ministries as long as the country is "developing"...Yes, we were duped back in 2002, we were to change/correct that in 2007 but we all know how that one ended...
The pro-Kibaki people now want Peter Kenneth or Martha Karua in the name of "they are the only clean ones"


Jus Blazin
#107 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:32:47 PM
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Joined: 10/23/2008
Posts: 3,966
nostoppingthis wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@ AlphDoti...well put Applause Applause Applause , especially the fact that we were duped in 2002...

I still ask, what has RAO done in the seven years since 2002 that he's been in government? More so the four years he's been the PM?

The best way to talk about someone's legacy is to look at what was there before he came and what is there right now. Compare him to JK and DT. We shouldn't spend so much time whining about the what nots. Yes, it's good to reflect, but after reflecting, what next? The question is, where are we now, and who among the candidates for the upcoming GE can take us where we want to be? Definitely we've progressed over the past 9 years, in as much as we were looking for more, much more. So let's stop too much whining, do a CBA and see who among the candidates can give us better returns for the next five years.

Otherwise, too many complaints about being duped in 2002 will not help. If all we do is complain, hata 2022, we may complain we were duped in 2012. My Humble Opinion


This is akin to saying put your tribe mates in all ministries as long as the country is "developing"...Yes, we were duped back in 2002, we were to change/correct that in 2007 but we all know how that one ended...
The pro-Kibaki people now want Peter Kenneth or Martha Karua in the name of "they are the only clean ones"



Stop being selective in your response to my post. You clearly ignored this bit: I still ask, what has RAO done in the seven years since 2002 that he's been in government? More so the four years he's been the PM?
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
washiku
#108 Posted : Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:37:15 PM
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kyt
#109 Posted : Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:14:25 PM
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newfarer
#110 Posted : Saturday, April 06, 2013 9:29:21 PM
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dossy7 wrote:
I will remeber him for trying n improving the road network in Kenya.
Will not forget that he has made tribalism even bigger in Kenya than it was before

another thread in 2012
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