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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
maka
#10981 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2018 8:35:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Schedule changes to US flight....Some flights cancelled because of lack of pax. 1st week....Mon....Wed... flights cancelled so on and so on...
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When will the real trawling of green bucks begin. Fun and pun intended. HOTAC manenos vipi

You should not believe everything you read on the internet


smile

Nothing wrong here.. New route and logical management. No need to fly empty planes to proove a non existent point



Why start the route in the first place even after being told time and time again that it will be a very very hard sale/sell.... smile In the other side of the world an Icelandic airline called WOW flies from Dehli to Orlando....with one of the highetst cabin factor ever @ 92%
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#10982 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:29:34 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,215
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Schedule changes to US flight....Some flights cancelled because of lack of pax. 1st week....Mon....Wed... flights cancelled so on and so on...
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When will the real trawling of green bucks begin. Fun and pun intended. HOTAC manenos vipi

You should not believe everything you read on the internet


smile

Nothing wrong here.. New route and logical management. No need to fly empty planes to proove a non existent point



Why start the route in the first place even after being told time and time again that it will be a very very hard sale/sell.... smile In the other side of the world an Icelandic airline called WOW flies from Dehli to Orlando....with one of the highetst cabin factor ever @ 92%

You expect every other airline to stop selling tickets because KQ now flies to JFK?? Compe ni compe roho safi.. And you do know Atlanta is the next destination followed by DC.. Utajua hujui

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#10983 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:06:12 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
KQ should be included as a Management Case on how NOT to run a business!
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Teach the next generation...

Which leads me to "choices have consequences"
I am so comfy in my "lack-luster" core firms that have less drama.
80% of my investment portfolio. 3-5% Dividend Yield.

I like to sleep at night.

Profits rise and fall but remain (usually) profitable and pay me a dividend.
KenRe - Management drama "solved" until 2022
KK - since Ohana took over
I&M - A top-10 KE bank but a large Tier 2 bank
Unga - Drama on ownership but profits are decent

I like to sleep at night Whistle Uzee
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
maka
#10984 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 3:02:33 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Schedule changes to US flight....Some flights cancelled because of lack of pax. 1st week....Mon....Wed... flights cancelled so on and so on...
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When will the real trawling of green bucks begin. Fun and pun intended. HOTAC manenos vipi

You should not believe everything you read on the internet


smile

Nothing wrong here.. New route and logical management. No need to fly empty planes to proove a non existent point



Why start the route in the first place even after being told time and time again that it will be a very very hard sale/sell.... smile In the other side of the world an Icelandic airline called WOW flies from Dehli to Orlando....with one of the highetst cabin factor ever @ 92%

You expect every other airline to stop selling tickets because KQ now flies to JFK?? Compe ni compe roho safi.. And you do know Atlanta is the next destination followed by DC.. Utajua hujui



Sebastian is making the same mistakes that TN made expanding too fast... I honestly hope it works out for him... I dont like Mbuvi that much but his strategy was shrink first then expand later when things are ok...for the better part of the period he was CEO it worked only problem is that KALPA gave him hell... Suppliers had been paid most of the bank loans were up to date... Salaries were on time (at some point guys were being paid even on 10th of the next month when things were bad)....I rem a couple of flights were denied fuel in various countries coz of debt...In comes Sebastian...Wanton unplanned expansion... Mogadishu was to starts in Jan moved to Nov... Rush to get suppliers...GHA contracts to be signed etc.... Excatly why the stop spend memo was sent.... Give it a few months you will see suppliers crying because of lack of payment... NYC was and will never be a good idea for now... Its clearly coming out even if the likes of akina Obiero and the govt fellows are refuting... All the gains will be eroded in a few months back to square one...
possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#10985 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 6:24:45 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Is Sebastian already spending money he expects to get from JKIA?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#10986 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 7:04:48 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,215
Location: nairobi
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Schedule changes to US flight....Some flights cancelled because of lack of pax. 1st week....Mon....Wed... flights cancelled so on and so on...
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When will the real trawling of green bucks begin. Fun and pun intended. HOTAC manenos vipi

You should not believe everything you read on the internet


smile

Nothing wrong here.. New route and logical management. No need to fly empty planes to proove a non existent point



Why start the route in the first place even after being told time and time again that it will be a very very hard sale/sell.... smile In the other side of the world an Icelandic airline called WOW flies from Dehli to Orlando....with one of the highetst cabin factor ever @ 92%

You expect every other airline to stop selling tickets because KQ now flies to JFK?? Compe ni compe roho safi.. And you do know Atlanta is the next destination followed by DC.. Utajua hujui



Sebastian is making the same mistakes that TN made expanding too fast... I honestly hope it works out for him... I dont like Mbuvi that much but his strategy was shrink first then expand later when things are ok...for the better part of the period he was CEO it worked only problem is that KALPA gave him hell... Suppliers had been paid most of the bank loans were up to date... Salaries were on time (at some point guys were being paid even on 10th of the next month when things were bad)....I rem a couple of flights were denied fuel in various countries coz of debt...In comes Sebastian...Wanton unplanned expansion... Mogadishu was to starts in Jan moved to Nov... Rush to get suppliers...GHA contracts to be signed etc.... Excatly why the stop spend memo was sent.... Give it a few months you will see suppliers crying because of lack of payment... NYC was and will never be a good idea for now... Its clearly coming out even if the likes of akina Obiero and the govt fellows are refuting... All the gains will be eroded in a few months back to square one...

@maka thank you for admitting that Ngunze was a level headed fellow.. As for New York, it's like making out; you never know how good it will be until you do it!

KQ ABP 4.26
ArrestedDev
#10987 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:19:09 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Schedule changes to US flight....Some flights cancelled because of lack of pax. 1st week....Mon....Wed... flights cancelled so on and so on...
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

When will the real trawling of green bucks begin. Fun and pun intended. HOTAC manenos vipi

You should not believe everything you read on the internet


smile

Nothing wrong here.. New route and logical management. No need to fly empty planes to proove a non existent point



Why start the route in the first place even after being told time and time again that it will be a very very hard sale/sell.... smile In the other side of the world an Icelandic airline called WOW flies from Dehli to Orlando....with one of the highetst cabin factor ever @ 92%

You expect every other airline to stop selling tickets because KQ now flies to JFK?? Compe ni compe roho safi.. And you do know Atlanta is the next destination followed by DC.. Utajua hujui



Sebastian is making the same mistakes that TN made expanding too fast... I honestly hope it works out for him... I dont like Mbuvi that much but his strategy was shrink first then expand later when things are ok...for the better part of the period he was CEO it worked only problem is that KALPA gave him hell... Suppliers had been paid most of the bank loans were up to date... Salaries were on time (at some point guys were being paid even on 10th of the next month when things were bad)....I rem a couple of flights were denied fuel in various countries coz of debt...In comes Sebastian...Wanton unplanned expansion... Mogadishu was to starts in Jan moved to Nov... Rush to get suppliers...GHA contracts to be signed etc.... Excatly why the stop spend memo was sent.... Give it a few months you will see suppliers crying because of lack of payment... NYC was and will never be a good idea for now... Its clearly coming out even if the likes of akina Obiero and the govt fellows are refuting... All the gains will be eroded in a few months back to square one...


@maka, Sebastian cannot be compared to TN and Ngunze. If Ngunze was to remain as CEO then KQ could have collapsed. @obiero, I have said here again and again that Ngunze was not an astute manager at all. Let me not keep repeating.

@maka, no feeder routes for JFK as of now. Route cannot begin and it breaks even on the 1st and 2nd year. It will only pick up as more routes are added i.e. more transfer pax via NBO. Mogadishu is very key. Turkish is reaping big from the big Somali diapsora and hence the decision made by Sebastian to fastrack. It will help to prop up JFK.

What KQ needs is passengers numbers to increase. The only way to increase is through new routes.

You cannot grow an Airline by shrinking it. You will allow the competitors to dominate and catching up with them will be very hard.

Sebastian is reversing the poor decisions made by Ngunze. There was nothing wrong with expansion. It is only that TN, Mbugua, Ngunze, Mwaniki and their political associates used the oppoturnity to loot. Instead of leasing planes, they opted for debt and inflated aircraft prices. It is corruption and mismanagement which led to the current state of KQ and not expansion.

I mean, you saw the forensic audit report how the looting took place. Do I really need to remind you this?

Ngunze was paying suppliers and staff salaries using loans and proceeds from disposal of assets. He even said on Citizen tv while being interviewed by Terryanne.

muandiwambeu
#10988 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 7:09:43 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
VituVingiSana wrote:
KQ should be included as a Management Case on how NOT to run a business!
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Teach the next generation...

Which leads me to "choices have consequences"
I am so comfy in my "lack-luster" core firms that have less drama.
80% of my investment portfolio. 3-5% Dividend Yield.

I like to sleep at night.

Profits rise and fall but remain (usually) profitable and pay me a dividend.
KenRe - Management drama "solved" until 2022
KK - since Ohana took over
I&M - A top-10 KE bank but a large Tier 2 bank
Unga - Drama on ownership but profits are decent

I like to sleep at night Laughing out loudly " Uzee

Drama za KQueer, tuachie choirmaster na generation Y. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#10989 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 7:58:58 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,215
Location: nairobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
KQ should be included as a Management Case on how NOT to run a business!
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Teach the next generation...

Which leads me to "choices have consequences"
I am so comfy in my "lack-luster" core firms that have less drama.
80% of my investment portfolio. 3-5% Dividend Yield.

I like to sleep at night.

Profits rise and fall but remain (usually) profitable and pay me a dividend.
KenRe - Management drama "solved" until 2022
KK - since Ohana took over
I&M - A top-10 KE bank but a large Tier 2 bank
Unga - Drama on ownership but profits are decent

I like to sleep at night Laughing out loudly " Uzee

Drama za KQueer, tuachie choirmaster na generation Y. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Boom! New uniform, new menu, new routes, new beginnings!

KQ ABP 4.26
HaMaina
#10990 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:11:31 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/23/2014
Posts: 931
VituVingiSana wrote:
KQ should be included as a Management Case on how NOT to run a business!
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Teach the next generation...

Which leads me to "choices have consequences"
I am so comfy in my "lack-luster" core firms that have less drama.
80% of my investment portfolio. 3-5% Dividend Yield.

I like to sleep at night.

Profits rise and fall but remain (usually) profitable and pay me a dividend.
KenRe - Management drama "solved" until 2022
KK - since Ohana took over
I&M - A top-10 KE bank but a large Tier 2 bank
Unga - Drama on ownership but profits are decent

I like to sleep at night Whistle Uzee


Unazeeshwa na mini? " 18 till I die " Should be the motto.
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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