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obiero
#2161 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2015 3:46:36 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Not being an expert in airlines operations can someone tell me why KQ shouldn't revise it's strategy and offerings so that it competes on pricing. Why can't they focus on making local flying affordable to the budding middle class to eg Mombasa- Nbi to cost not higher than 5000 one way?


Haven't you heard of JamboJet?

Jambojet tackles that space extremely well at lows of KES 2,950 one way


@obiero I meant why not model the whole airline in this strategic direction? Why don't they realize that their prices and poor services are their undoing? This excuse of last minute booking is bull crap.

Oh. I now get you. However, I feel that the extras availed on KQ relative to Jambojet deserve the higher price, in particular, allowable luggage that burns extra fuel and to a smaller extent enhanced comfort of newer KQ craft as well as basic refreshments. All said, their prices must be competitive relative to main competitors not the large discrepancy in ticket price that currently exists

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Rahatupu
#2162 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2015 7:24:00 PM
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obiero wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Not being an expert in airlines operations can someone tell me why KQ shouldn't revise it's strategy and offerings so that it competes on pricing. Why can't they focus on making local flying affordable to the budding middle class to eg Mombasa- Nbi to cost not higher than 5000 one way?


Haven't you heard of JamboJet?

Jambojet tackles that space extremely well at lows of KES 2,950 one way


@obiero I meant why not model the whole airline in this strategic direction? Why don't they realize that their prices and poor services are their undoing? This excuse of last minute booking is bull crap.

Oh. I now get you. However, I feel that the extras availed on KQ relative to Jambojet deserve the higher price, in particular, allowable luggage that burns extra fuel and to a smaller extent enhanced comfort of newer KQ craft as well as basic refreshments. All said, their prices must be competitive relative to main competitors not the large discrepancy in ticket price that currently exists


Oh yes! My idea worth 2 cents would be for KQ to model a strategy aimed at making flying cheaper for Africa.....starting with Kenya by being the most affordable. @obiero, let them cut the refreshments and needless frills. Their competitors are Ethiopian, Rwanda Air, the Gulf airlines and not British Airways or Air France anymore.
murchr
#2163 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:18:24 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Not being an expert in airlines operations can someone tell me why KQ shouldn't revise it's strategy and offerings so that it competes on pricing. Why can't they focus on making local flying affordable to the budding middle class to eg Mombasa- Nbi to cost not higher than 5000 one way?


Haven't you heard of JamboJet?

Jambojet tackles that space extremely well at lows of KES 2,950 one way


@obiero I meant why not model the whole airline in this strategic direction? Why don't they realize that their prices and poor services are their undoing? This excuse of last minute booking is bull crap.

Oh. I now get you. However, I feel that the extras availed on KQ relative to Jambojet deserve the higher price, in particular, allowable luggage that burns extra fuel and to a smaller extent enhanced comfort of newer KQ craft as well as basic refreshments. All said, their prices must be competitive relative to main competitors not the large discrepancy in ticket price that currently exists


Oh yes! My idea worth 2 cents would be for KQ to model a strategy aimed at making flying cheaper for Africa.....starting with Kenya by being the most affordable. @obiero, let them cut the refreshments and needless frills. Their competitors are Ethiopian, Rwanda Air, the Gulf airlines and not British Airways or Air France anymore.


In my view...the management is super comfortable, they get tickets to fly wherever, they get a fat paycheck, and get away with stupid mistakes and misjudgements. Complacency rules the day.

In in order for Obiero to make money here the management needs to

1. Not hedge on fuel esp now that there's a glut...fuel prices are going to come down even further once the nuclear agreement with Iran is signed (sanctions will be lifted hence Iran will be allowed to bring in their oil) It would be wise to lock in prices after this.

2. To reduce down time (that time a plane spends on the ground) they would point to point flying esp in Africa using the Embraer planes (NBO - KSM - EBB - KGL) etc and keep the hub to spoke flying for the international routes (Boeings) (Wazua pilots can explain the merits and demerits of this) No need for airlines to park while there are those who want to leave.

3. Cut the munching/refreshments service in local routes (who needs to eat while up there for 45 mins water is enough) leave that to those flying for over an hr. Negotiate better catering deals. (Operation expenses have to be brought down no matter what)

4. ALWAYS offer competitive prices. Get analysts to review everyday prices offered by competitors and either match them or offer better deals. Run promotions (we all know that we dont pay the same price for seats). They hired a top notch marketing director and his impact is not felt. L

5. Outsource their customer service department. Those people employed there do not have the best interest of that airline at heart.

Obiero.....you need to have attended the AGM and force them to listen to you
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Gathige
#2164 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:31:27 PM
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Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
murchr wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Not being an expert in airlines operations can someone tell me why KQ shouldn't revise it's strategy and offerings so that it competes on pricing. Why can't they focus on making local flying affordable to the budding middle class to eg Mombasa- Nbi to cost not higher than 5000 one way?


Haven't you heard of JamboJet?

Jambojet tackles that space extremely well at lows of KES 2,950 one way


@obiero I meant why not model the whole airline in this strategic direction? Why don't they realize that their prices and poor services are their undoing? This excuse of last minute booking is bull crap.

Oh. I now get you. However, I feel that the extras availed on KQ relative to Jambojet deserve the higher price, in particular, allowable luggage that burns extra fuel and to a smaller extent enhanced comfort of newer KQ craft as well as basic refreshments. All said, their prices must be competitive relative to main competitors not the large discrepancy in ticket price that currently exists


Oh yes! My idea worth 2 cents would be for KQ to model a strategy aimed at making flying cheaper for Africa.....starting with Kenya by being the most affordable. @obiero, let them cut the refreshments and needless frills. Their competitors are Ethiopian, Rwanda Air, the Gulf airlines and not British Airways or Air France anymore.


In my view...the management is super comfortable, they get tickets to fly wherever, they get a fat paycheck, and get away with stupid mistakes and misjudgements. Complacency rules the day.

In in order for Obiero to make money here the management needs to

1. Not hedge on fuel esp now that there's a glut...fuel prices are going to come down even further once the nuclear agreement with Iran is signed (sanctions will be lifted hence Iran will be allowed to bring in their oil) It would be wise to lock in prices after this.

2. To reduce down time (that time a plane spends on the ground) they would point to point flying esp in Africa using the Embraer planes (NBO - KSM - EBB - KGL) etc and keep the hub to spoke flying for the international routes (Boeings) (Wazua pilots can explain the merits and demerits of this) No need for airlines to park while there are those who want to leave.

3. Cut the munching/refreshments service in local routes (who needs to eat while up there for 45 mins water is enough) leave that to those flying for over an hr. Negotiate better catering deals. (Operation expenses have to be brought down no matter what)

4. ALWAYS offer competitive prices. Get analysts to review everyday prices offered by competitors and either match them or offer better deals. Run promotions (we all know that we dont pay the same price for seats). They hired a top notch marketing director and his impact is not felt. L

5. Outsource their customer service department. Those people employed there do not have the best interest of that airline at heart.

Obiero.....you need to have attended the AGM and force them to listen to you


6. Stop luggage thievery. Baggage pinching is synonymous with KQ. They need to a rigorous baggage tracking to reassure customers that they luggage will get to destination. Otherwise they need to clearly indicate on all planes... Kila Mundu achunge Mzigo wake like KBS used to do.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
murchr
#2165 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2015 10:23:06 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Gathige wrote:
murchr wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Not being an expert in airlines operations can someone tell me why KQ shouldn't revise it's strategy and offerings so that it competes on pricing. Why can't they focus on making local flying affordable to the budding middle class to eg Mombasa- Nbi to cost not higher than 5000 one way?


Haven't you heard of JamboJet?

Jambojet tackles that space extremely well at lows of KES 2,950 one way


@obiero I meant why not model the whole airline in this strategic direction? Why don't they realize that their prices and poor services are their undoing? This excuse of last minute booking is bull crap.

Oh. I now get you. However, I feel that the extras availed on KQ relative to Jambojet deserve the higher price, in particular, allowable luggage that burns extra fuel and to a smaller extent enhanced comfort of newer KQ craft as well as basic refreshments. All said, their prices must be competitive relative to main competitors not the large discrepancy in ticket price that currently exists


Oh yes! My idea worth 2 cents would be for KQ to model a strategy aimed at making flying cheaper for Africa.....starting with Kenya by being the most affordable. @obiero, let them cut the refreshments and needless frills. Their competitors are Ethiopian, Rwanda Air, the Gulf airlines and not British Airways or Air France anymore.


In my view...the management is super comfortable, they get tickets to fly wherever, they get a fat paycheck, and get away with stupid mistakes and misjudgements. Complacency rules the day.

In in order for Obiero to make money here the management needs to

1. Not hedge on fuel esp now that there's a glut...fuel prices are going to come down even further once the nuclear agreement with Iran is signed (sanctions will be lifted hence Iran will be allowed to bring in their oil) It would be wise to lock in prices after this.

2. To reduce down time (that time a plane spends on the ground) they would point to point flying esp in Africa using the Embraer planes (NBO - KSM - EBB - KGL) etc and keep the hub to spoke flying for the international routes (Boeings) (Wazua pilots can explain the merits and demerits of this) No need for airlines to park while there are those who want to leave.

3. Cut the munching/refreshments service in local routes (who needs to eat while up there for 45 mins water is enough) leave that to those flying for over an hr. Negotiate better catering deals. (Operation expenses have to be brought down no matter what)

4. ALWAYS offer competitive prices. Get analysts to review everyday prices offered by competitors and either match them or offer better deals. Run promotions (we all know that we dont pay the same price for seats). They hired a top notch marketing director and his impact is not felt. L

5. Outsource their customer service department. Those people employed there do not have the best interest of that airline at heart.

Obiero.....you need to have attended the AGM and force them to listen to you


6. Stop luggage thievery. Baggage pinching is synonymous with KQ. They need to a rigorous baggage tracking to reassure customers that they luggage will get to destination. Otherwise they need to clearly indicate on all planes... Kila Mundu achunge Mzigo wake like KBS used to do.


This is mostly done by airport grounds men either when your mzigo gets there too early b4 the flight or too late so either inawachwa ama inaenda mbele yako. But probably the bag check attendant accidentally put in the wrong destination on your luggage tag Pray
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hisah
#2166 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:00:31 AM
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Seems like today the bears are ready to test sub 5. Thin demand since last month and the shock results just finished off the slight demand that was around.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Pesa Nane
#2167 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:09:24 AM
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obiero wrote:
Now that all is said and done.. How much lower can the share slide?? Can it go below kobole?? God forbid ooh..

Kobole is no longer a floor, that's the ceiling bro! Sad
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Museveni
#2168 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:24:36 AM
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Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey


Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Impunity
#2169 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:58:22 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Now that all is said and done.. How much lower can the share slide?? Can it go below kobole?? God forbid ooh..

Kobole is no longer a floor, that's the ceiling bro! Sad


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Impunity
#2170 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:11:23 PM
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Na hiyo China Airways imewasili leo kweli?
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

dunkang
#2171 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 1:32:21 PM
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Rahatupu
#2172 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 1:45:01 PM
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Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey





Pricing, pricing, pricing.......
maka
#2173 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 1:54:30 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey





Pricing, pricing, pricing.......


Despite the high fares,why is KQ usually full?
possunt quia posse videntur
Impunity
#2174 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 2:58:04 PM
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maka wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey





Pricing, pricing, pricing.......


Despite the high fares,why is KQ usually full?


Buy Kenya, Build Kenya.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

dunkang
#2175 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 3:25:24 PM
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maka wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey





Pricing, pricing, pricing.......


Despite the high fares,why is KQ usually full?

Maybe;
(1) full of crew members, not passengers,
(2) routes they kind of have a monopoly i.e. have the best offer, which is rare.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

hisah
#2176 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:38:21 PM
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hisah wrote:
Seems like today the bears are ready to test sub 5. Thin demand since last month and the shock results just finished off the slight demand that was around.

Tested 5 and closes the day @5.10. Hanging on a shoe-string!Pray
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
obiero
#2177 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 6:12:15 PM
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maka wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey





Pricing, pricing, pricing.......


Despite the high fares,why is KQ usually full?

National and county government workers

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
murchr
#2178 Posted : Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:32:43 AM
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obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey





Pricing, pricing, pricing.......


Despite the high fares,why is KQ usually full?


National and county government workers


That's funnyLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly another reason could be the airline is filled up by excess passangers from KLM.

Obiero when are we going to get the full report..would like to know how much they are mak/loosing from Precision, Cargo and Jambo jet.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#2179 Posted : Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:51:34 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
Now that all is said and done.. How much lower can the share slide?? Can it go below kobole?? God forbid ooh..

Kobole is no longer a floor, that's the ceiling bro! Sad

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VituVingiSana
#2180 Posted : Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:53:14 AM
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Museveni wrote:
Even Wanjiku (literally) weighing on this wazua Monkey



I have flown on ET and the cabin crew did look like the ones in the pic. It is a small detail but it makes the flight much more pleasant!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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