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muandiwambeu
#10221 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:32:20 PM
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obiero wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Back to hedging is this a good thing or a bad thing? with the Iran, Saudi deal won't they regret hedging at current prices only for them to fall soon. https://www.businessdail...862-14n76ohz/index.html

It's a gamble but depends largely on the experts at hand.. Obviously the former CFO used it for self enrichment

While I was away, men really gnassh their teeth in aguish for believing in a dead beat deal. Yes, waurumie nikutojua iliyo mingi. Pray Pray Pray
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maka
#10222 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:35:23 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The key to KQ recovery will be
--Growth in passenger numbers
--Growth in revenue
Cost cutting measures they are now past that


Cancel growth in passenger numbers whicb in esscence affects growth in revenue...
possunt quia posse videntur
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obiero
#10223 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:48:13 PM
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maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The key to KQ recovery will be
--Growth in passenger numbers
--Growth in revenue
Cost cutting measures they are now past that


Cancel growth in passenger numbers whicb in esscence affects growth in revenue...

@maka you should have warned me harder bro. I blame you squarely for my current situation

KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson
#10224 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:52:57 PM
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maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The key to KQ recovery will be
--Growth in passenger numbers
--Growth in revenue
Cost cutting measures they are now past that


Cancel growth in passenger numbers whicb in esscence affects growth in revenue...

Not necessarily
You can have growth in revenue without growth in passenger numbers due to higher ticket Pricing.
Similarly kq might grow passenger numbers without growth in revenue by giving discounts and bargains
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obiero
#10225 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 5:10:52 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The key to KQ recovery will be
--Growth in passenger numbers
--Growth in revenue
Cost cutting measures they are now past that


Cancel growth in passenger numbers whicb in esscence affects growth in revenue...

Not necessarily
You can have growth in revenue without growth in passenger numbers due to higher ticket Pricing.
Similarly kq might grow passenger numbers without growth in revenue by giving discounts and bargains

Today's KQ is like the old school bicycle whose steering handle could pop off while doing a wheelie, very dangerous.. Too many moving parts with the swindled Open Offer coupled now with the KAA tie up. Not selling my stake but I wonder when I will recoup the capital. Truly the Bible says that you may have plans but it is God that orders one's steps

KQ ABP 4.26
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VituVingiSana
#10226 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 8:06:27 PM
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@Obiero - I think most of the posts that aren’t by you were warning you about KQ.
As for the Open Offer, which I never understood, why would anyone want to give Minorities shares at a discount after they saved KQ from bankruptcy?
If GoK and KQLC had not done a Debt Conversion, then KQ would have been bankrupt.

Good luck while I battle the demons at KenRe!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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obiero
#10227 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2018 9:35:54 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - I think most of the posts that aren’t by you were warning you about KQ.
As for the Open Offer, which I never understood, why would anyone want to give Minorities shares at a discount after they saved KQ from bankruptcy?
If GoK and KQLC had not done a Debt Conversion, then KQ would have been bankrupt.

Good luck while I battle the demons at KenRe!

It would have been OK if the management never promised the Open Offer.. But they put it in writing! And shareholders passed it at last year's EGM..

KQ ABP 4.26
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VituVingiSana
#10228 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:18:06 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Obiero - I think most of the posts that aren’t by you were warning you about KQ.
As for the Open Offer, which I never understood, why would anyone want to give Minorities shares at a discount after they saved KQ from bankruptcy?
If GoK and KQLC had not done a Debt Conversion, then KQ would have been bankrupt.

Good luck while I battle the demons at KenRe!

It would have been OK if the management never promised the Open Offer.. But they put it in writing! And shareholders passed it at last year's EGM..

1) Do you have the document re: Open Offer?
2) Circumstances change
3) What is an "Open Offer"? [I have never come across this in all my years at the NSE]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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muandiwambeu
#10229 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:46:23 AM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Good morning! We are live at the Pride Center for our 42nd annual general meeting. We will be releasing key highlights of our overall performance among other developments and sharing our future plans in the next few hours. Keep it here for more updates

Silenced Silenced Silenced Silenced Silenced Not talking Not talking

I hang my head in shame! KQ has screwed us over, no concrete mention of the Open Offer date at the AGM


I told you earlier.

http://corporate.kenya-a...ion/AGM_Notice_2017.PDF I should have listened. But Michael Joseph said that "I am not a fraudster and never will become one.." I'm still digesting that statement

"For the 9 month financial year, we carried 3.4M passengers at a cabin factor of 76.2%, Cargo business operated 2 freighters and generated a revenue of 54M $. We are still operating same fleet base and not extending any subleases of the planes." CEO; Sebastian Mikosz

@obiero, you should have clearly seen that the open offer was not on the menu from that document. That is called daylight shaftin or else it happened to you while high on top notch dope men.
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muandiwambeu
#10230 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:54:02 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:

I look at some of the comments on this thread and wonder what people will say when the Open Offer is announced. There was the first chance for all and sundry to make a quick kill during restructure when some folks here swore that KQ will touch KES 2.10 but it did not, rather it went up to KES 18.75 within seven days of relisting!!! Now there will be clueless others waiting for KQ to dip sub Open Offer price projected at KES 5.00 by the exchange bar, but I could bet you my entire earthly belongings that these persons will be shocked to see KES 21 or higher print in the run up to book closure. Thank me later/soon


@Obiero kindly breakdown the tweet



How do you rate such a person who takes almost nine months to know they are pregnant. Dimwits. Ajia. Deadbeat investors.
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