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Law Capping interest rates
obiero
#2021 Posted : Monday, May 29, 2017 6:51:47 AM
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NIC becomes one more example of a struggling lender http://www.businessdaily...45670-jo884uz/index.html

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Musimo
#2022 Posted : Monday, May 29, 2017 11:35:38 AM
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Query: For small banks, has the rate cap lowered or raised their cost of deposits and savings? For example, looking at faulu bank, who a few ago were offering upto 12.5% interest on funds deposited with them in a savings account for a duration of 3 years, I presume currently that they more or less have the same amount as other banks for deposits and savings.
obiero
#2023 Posted : Monday, May 29, 2017 1:37:49 PM
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Musimo wrote:
Query: For small banks, has the rate cap lowered or raised their cost of deposits and savings? For example, looking at faulu bank, who a few ago were offering upto 12.5% interest on funds deposited with them in a savings account for a duration of 3 years, I presume currently that they more or less have the same amount as other banks for deposits and savings.

The issue is that of trust.. Most sensible clients will opt for say 7% at a large bank than risk it all at 8% on a smaller bank

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mkeiy
#2024 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:57:17 AM
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wukan
#2025 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:18:30 PM
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Family Bank has posted a Sh259.57 million after-tax loss for the first three months of the year, citing a sharp rise in bad loans and the interest rate cap which ate into its profitability.

Gross non-performing loans jumped 92.14 per cent or Sh3.98 billion to Sh8.3 billion.


Sidian bank reports a loss of Shs 79.2 million.

Malenge ni mboga, ama namna gani?
mlennyma
#2026 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:47:41 PM
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wukan wrote:
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Family Bank has posted a Sh259.57 million after-tax loss for the first three months of the year, citing a sharp rise in bad loans and the interest rate cap which ate into its profitability.

Gross non-performing loans jumped 92.14 per cent or Sh3.98 billion to Sh8.3 billion.


Sidian bank reports a loss of Shs 79.2 million.

Malenge ni mboga, ama namna gani?

they should be careful not to cause customer panic
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mkeiy
#2027 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:06:14 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
wukan wrote:
Quote:
Family Bank has posted a Sh259.57 million after-tax loss for the first three months of the year, citing a sharp rise in bad loans and the interest rate cap which ate into its profitability.

Gross non-performing loans jumped 92.14 per cent or Sh3.98 billion to Sh8.3 billion.


Sidian bank reports a loss of Shs 79.2 million.

Malenge ni mboga, ama namna gani?

they should be careful not to cause customer panic


That could be a good thing in disguise. Forcing some review of the cap.
obiero
#2028 Posted : Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:15:16 PM
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obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
[quote=muandiwambeu][quote=Ebenyo][quote=obiero]I told you guys to sell off bank stocks in 2014. Luckily made it out of some major holdings in good time..


but a big percent of your portfolio is still in banks!

so, what do you expect to be a fair hair cut on obieros portfolio as a result of kamwanaas house attempt to please Wanjiku. what will be the overall industries' hit in percentage. my fair guess from my lender's perspective
(16-14.5)/(16*0.5)*100=18.75% conservetively
thieves.

COOP & HF will come out strongest in this.. Too little meat to be bitten out from the two. Plus HF has never been strong on deposits being only licensed to have current accounts a few months ago!! HF will have the least interest expense of all listed lenders

Hey @Obiero. Bill not signed. And please note I did not put the word 'yet' at the end.

Its bound to be signed on Monday 29th Aug 2016


The bankers will visit statehouse with big brown envelop and this story will be forgotten.

Smaller banks will fold

Here we are...
Family fires it's staff https://citizentv.co.ke/...fs-to-cut-costs-143841/
and then Sidian lays off 108 workers http://www.businessdaily...9550-3428588-151f209z/,
then Ecobank collapses 9 branches http://www.businessdaily...6506-316lohz/index.html
First Community Bank let go of a quarter of its staff http://www.the-star.co.k...osed-number-of_c1451638
And now BoA closes 12 branches. Sad state of affairs http://www.businessdaily...2926-jp394sz/index.html[/quote]
Sidian, NBK, Family, HF, NIC struggling.. Small banks shall fold

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#2029 Posted : Monday, June 05, 2017 10:26:15 AM
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The reality of the interest rates caps is finally coming out. According to CBK latest data, rates cap will be good for the economy in the medium term.

Check out the latest East African paper. Can't find link online though.

Equity is also reverting to robust lending

The sky is falling brigade please read and calm down, the cap stays on.
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Ngalaka
#2030 Posted : Tuesday, June 06, 2017 11:31:01 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality of the interest rates caps is finally coming out. According to CBK latest data, rates cap will be good for the economy in the medium term.

Check out the latest East African paper. Can't find link online though.

Equity is also reverting to robust lending

The sky is falling brigade please read and calm down, the cap stays on.

Eh? Eh? Eh?
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Ericsson
#2031 Posted : Tuesday, June 06, 2017 11:38:01 AM
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The law should have been made to be deposit at 70% of the CBK rate and loans given at a maximum of 70% above the CBK rate.
This would have given lifeline to the small banks and credit to SMEs
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#2032 Posted : Tuesday, June 06, 2017 9:46:21 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The law should have been made to be deposit at 70% of the CBK rate and loans given at a maximum of 70% above the CBK rate.
This would have given lifeline to the small banks and credit to SMEs

@Ericsson that would be higher than the former KBRR rule

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Ericsson
#2033 Posted : Tuesday, June 06, 2017 10:52:57 PM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The law should have been made to be deposit at 70% of the CBK rate and loans given at a maximum of 70% above the CBK rate.
This would have given lifeline to the small banks and credit to SMEs

@Ericsson that would be higher than the former KBRR rule


Not really;
That would mean at the current rates the maximum interest rates bank would offer a loan will be 17% instead of the current 14%
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#2034 Posted : Wednesday, June 07, 2017 7:14:31 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The law should have been made to be deposit at 70% of the CBK rate and loans given at a maximum of 70% above the CBK rate.
This would have given lifeline to the small banks and credit to SMEs

@Ericsson that would be higher than the former KBRR rule


Not really;
That would mean at the current rates the maximum interest rates bank would offer a loan will be 17% instead of the current 14%

Exactly, while KBRR was 14% plus a K that was determined independently by each bank.. The capping is a game changer that will obviously hurt a few banks and many workers but in my view we should aim for single digit interest regime as happens in most developed economies, backed by a solid credit scoring system

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Ericsson
#2035 Posted : Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:28:47 AM
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@Obiero
With the corruption,inflation,mismanagement of the economy,huge government borrowing,budget deficit,import-export gap single digit interest rates is a hard nut to crack.
We need to fix the mentioned items and single digit interest rates will come automatically
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Wakanyugi
#2036 Posted : Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:47:52 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality of the interest rates caps is finally coming out. According to CBK latest data, rates cap will be good for the economy in the medium term.

Check out the latest East African paper. Can't find link online though.

Equity is also reverting to robust lending

The sky is falling brigade please read and calm down, the cap stays on.


Memo to: 'The Sky is Falling Department"

Here you go: Numbers don't lie

You are welcome smile smile smile
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wukan
#2037 Posted : Wednesday, June 07, 2017 9:54:23 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The reality of the interest rates caps is finally coming out. According to CBK latest data, rates cap will be good for the economy in the medium term.

Check out the latest East African paper. Can't find link online though.

Equity is also reverting to robust lending

The sky is falling brigade please read and calm down, the cap stays on.


Memo to: 'The Sky is Falling Department"

Here you go: Numbers don't lie

You are welcome smile smile smile


Have you looked at the M1 money supply statistics from 2016 to now? If you did you will like me Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly all the way to the bank.
wukan
#2038 Posted : Wednesday, June 07, 2017 10:06:06 AM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The law should have been made to be deposit at 70% of the CBK rate and loans given at a maximum of 70% above the CBK rate.
This would have given lifeline to the small banks and credit to SMEs

@Ericsson that would be higher than the former KBRR rule


Not really;
That would mean at the current rates the maximum interest rates bank would offer a loan will be 17% instead of the current 14%

Exactly, while KBRR was 14% plus a K that was determined independently by each bank.. The capping is a game changer that will obviously hurt a few banks and many workers but in my view we should aim for single digit interest regime as happens in most developed economies, backed by a solid credit scoring system


Whose interest do you protect as a banker? That of the shareholder who gives the capital, the depositor who wants you to return his money intact or that of the borrower who wants you to finance his fancy projects? If you want the single digit interest rates where is that capital that you will lend at this rate? What is the savings rate in Kenya?
Do people with good credit scores usually need risky loans
obiero
#2039 Posted : Wednesday, June 07, 2017 10:12:14 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero
With the corruption,inflation,mismanagement of the economy,huge government borrowing,budget deficit,import-export gap single digit interest rates is a hard nut to crack.
We need to fix the mentioned items and single digit interest rates will come automatically

I agree. The system is broken.. Here is proof http://mobile.nation.co....958792-yxh9g5/index.html

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maka
#2040 Posted : Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:53:24 AM
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Just noticed that NIC have been crediting interest every end month on my savings account smile Nice. I think kitambo the amounts were to negligible to notice...
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