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Coop Bank 2019 and beyond
Ericsson
#181 Posted : Saturday, February 13, 2021 10:16:06 AM
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https://www.swedfund.se/...-private-sector-3072790

Swedfund provides a USD 15 million long-term subordinated loan to Co-operative Bank of Kenya (“Co-op Bank”) to support the Bank’s lending to small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) and green finance projects. By supporting Co-op Bank, Swedfund will contribute to job creation and private sector development. Almost half of all SMEs in Kenya are women-owned businesses which contribute to around 20% of Kenya’s GDP.
Co-op Bank has raised a total of USD 75 million from a consortium led by the IFC to enable the Bank’s continued growth and strengthen its capitalization.


The rate at which they are taking debt
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
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Ericsson
#182 Posted : Thursday, March 18, 2021 8:54:58 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
To get a good view of COVID-19 effects on the financials I will do a Quarter on Quarter profit summary;
Q1--5.1bn
Q2--4.5bn

Q3--4.2bn

Q4---3.16bn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#183 Posted : Sunday, March 21, 2021 2:04:38 PM
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King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
young
#184 Posted : Sunday, March 21, 2021 4:36:45 PM
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Location: Lagos, Nigeria
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Ericsson
#185 Posted : Sunday, March 21, 2021 10:32:23 PM
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young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Monk
#186 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 9:49:00 AM
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Posts: 256
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.


How did you arrive at those figures? Looking at DY, COOP's is about 7% at current market price. Using the same metric, SCBK would match that with Ksh 9.3 Dividend, well below what they've traditionally given (even 2020 if you include both Div and bonus)
VituVingiSana
#187 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 9:58:18 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,095
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#188 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 11:00:37 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,678
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.


The mathematics is based on the issued number of shares for the respectively

NCBA issued shares is 1,497,745,029 so dividend per share has to be about 4 to surpass Co-op
SCBK issued shares is 343510571 so dividend per share has to be 17.2 to surpass coop.

Coop bank issued shares is 5,869,179,554 and they are giving dividend per share of ksh.1.

Multiply the number of issued shares by dividend per share to get the dividend payout.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#189 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 11:03:43 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,678
Location: NAIROBI
Monk wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.


How did you arrive at those figures? Looking at DY, COOP's is about 7% at current market price. Using the same metric, SCBK would match that with Ksh 9.3 Dividend, well below what they've traditionally given (even 2020 if you include both Div and bonus)


DY is inconsequential in this case.
For stanchart a dividend of ksh.9.3 per share won't match.
Check on my response to vvs how I arrived at the calculation.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
young
#190 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 11:38:31 AM
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Location: Lagos, Nigeria
@ Ericson wrote

DY is inconsequential in this case.
For stanchart a dividend of ksh.9.3 per share won't match.
Check on my response to vvs how I arrived at the calculation.[/quote]


DY (Dividend Yield) inconsequential ?????
For income (dividend / bonus) returns to shareholders ?
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Ericsson
#191 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 11:46:23 AM
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young wrote:
@ Ericson wrote

DY is inconsequential in this case.
For stanchart a dividend of ksh.9.3 per share won't match.
Check on my response to vvs how I arrived at the calculation.



DY (Dividend Yield) inconsequential ?????
For income (dividend / bonus) returns to shareholders ?
[/quote]

@young
Dividend payout is the total amount of dividends paid out to shareholders by a company.
In the NSE when Safaricom announced its full year results it's mentioned to be the company with the highest dividend payout in the NSE.
Case in point is in the past financial year,its dividend per share was ksh.1.40 and it's payout was ksh.56 billion.


Bonus is not used when calculating returns to shareholders.

Returns to shareholders is measured by
-Share buybacks
-Share price appreciation
-Dividends
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
littledove
#192 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 2:33:24 PM
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SCBK - something good must be on the way, that according to todays share behavior, all supply at 134 and 135 withdrawn, 133 all taken, now supply at 145 and 146
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
VituVingiSana
#193 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 6:41:37 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,095
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.


The mathematics is based on the issued number of shares for the respectively

NCBA issued shares is 1,497,745,029 so dividend per share has to be about 4 to surpass Co-op
SCBK issued shares is 343510571 so dividend per share has to be 17.2 to surpass coop.

Coop bank issued shares is 5,869,179,554 and they are giving dividend per share of ksh.1.

Multiply the number of issued shares by dividend per share to get the dividend payout.

Fair enough but this (total dividend payout) is irrelevant when comparing (apples to apples) returns to shareholders like us.
What matters to me (& @young) is the DY or dividend we get NOT the total dividend the firm pays out.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
young
#194 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 6:43:53 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2007
Posts: 2,037
Location: Lagos, Nigeria
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
@ Ericson wrote

DY is inconsequential in this case.
For stanchart a dividend of ksh.9.3 per share won't match.
Check on my response to vvs how I arrived at the calculation.



DY (Dividend Yield) inconsequential ?????
For income (dividend / bonus) returns to shareholders ?


@young
Dividend payout is the total amount of dividends paid out to shareholders by a company.
In the NSE when Safaricom announced its full year results it's mentioned to be the company with the highest dividend payout in the NSE.
Case in point is in the past financial year,its dividend per share was ksh.1.40 and it's payout was ksh.56 billion.


Bonus is not used when calculating returns to shareholders.

Returns to shareholders is measured by
-Share buybacks
-Share price appreciation
-Dividends[/quote]


@young wrote:-

Well dear @Ericcson we are looking at it from different angles .
I as a non resident income investor is not interested on the hype of total pay out but the returns which is tied to DY.
Yes last year safaricom returned 1.40 dps on 56B payout and it was a major news.
The same year SCBK and ABSA returned a higher yield .
SCBK returned 12.5 bob cum 1:10 bonus . Cumulatively SCBK returned nearly 20% DY on the 148 bob price then. I enjoyed my dividend and sold the bonus at 130 bob then and this gave me a great income .
This year I guess SCBK will EITHER
pay
10 bob dividend (upon profit warning )

OR
Gives 5 bob dividend and another 1:10 bonus ( as they have just 344m shares)

For me is not the total pay out but total returns on my investment and this is tied to DY (bonus issue included)

The beauty of bonus issue is that your total unit purchased is still intact, you can sell the bonus bearing in mind that when market conditions improve post covid, you will enjoy capital gains from your original units.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#195 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 7:34:26 PM
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Let's work it out on how SCBK returned nearly 20% last year to shareholders.

Dividend....12.5bob (5 Bob interim 7.5 Bob final)


Bonus 1:10

At 148 Bob when bonus was declared

Income from sales of bonus @130 and dividend = 12.5+13= 25.50

Final return or yield = 25.5/148*100
= 17.2%
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Ericsson
#196 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 7:37:28 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
@ Ericson wrote

DY is inconsequential in this case.
For stanchart a dividend of ksh.9.3 per share won't match.
Check on my response to vvs how I arrived at the calculation.



DY (Dividend Yield) inconsequential ?????
For income (dividend / bonus) returns to shareholders ?


@young
Dividend payout is the total amount of dividends paid out to shareholders by a company.
In the NSE when Safaricom announced its full year results it's mentioned to be the company with the highest dividend payout in the NSE.
Case in point is in the past financial year,its dividend per share was ksh.1.40 and it's payout was ksh.56 billion.


Bonus is not used when calculating returns to shareholders.

Returns to shareholders is measured by
-Share buybacks
-Share price appreciation
-Dividends



@young wrote:-

Well dear @Ericcson we are looking at it from different angles .
I as a non resident income investor is not interested on the hype of total pay out but the returns which is tied to DY.
Yes last year safaricom returned 1.40 dps on 56B payout and it was a major news.
The same year SCBK and ABSA returned a higher yield .
SCBK returned 12.5 bob cum 1:10 bonus . Cumulatively SCBK returned nearly 20% DY on the 148 bob price then. I enjoyed my dividend and sold the bonus at 130 bob then and this gave me a great income .
This year I guess SCBK will EITHER
pay
10 bob dividend (upon profit warning )

OR
Gives 5 bob dividend and another 1:10 bonus ( as they have just 344m shares)

For me is not the total pay out but total returns on my investment and this is tied to DY (bonus issue included)

The beauty of bonus issue is that your total unit purchased is still intact, you can sell the bonus bearing in mind that when market conditions improve post covid, you will enjoy capital gains from your original units.
[/quote]

Bonus is a no for me because it doesn't give a good indication of the financial health of the company.
A company may issue a bonus instead of a cash dividend,share price dives to adjust for the additional shares then shut down tomorrow.
or
Increase the number of its shares which then fail to attract demand.This leads to a further fall in it's share price.For example Nation Media Group who are now "reversing" the bonus share issue of last year through a buyback.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#197 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 8:16:03 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.


The mathematics is based on the issued number of shares for the respectively

NCBA issued shares is 1,497,745,029 so dividend per share has to be about 4 to surpass Co-op
SCBK issued shares is 343510571 so dividend per share has to be 17.2 to surpass coop.

Coop bank issued shares is 5,869,179,554 and they are giving dividend per share of ksh.1.

Multiply the number of issued shares by dividend per share to get the dividend payout.

Fair enough but this (total dividend payout) is irrelevant when comparing (apples to apples) returns to shareholders like us.
What matters to me (& @young) is the DY or dividend we get NOT the total dividend the firm pays out.


In the NSE and other stock markets such as Dow Jones,Nikkei and NASDAQ companies with the highest dividend yield have the lowest returns to shareholders while companies with the lowest dividend yield have the highest returns to shareholders.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Monk
#198 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 8:34:13 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2009
Posts: 256
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.


The mathematics is based on the issued number of shares for the respectively

NCBA issued shares is 1,497,745,029 so dividend per share has to be about 4 to surpass Co-op
SCBK issued shares is 343510571 so dividend per share has to be 17.2 to surpass coop.

Coop bank issued shares is 5,869,179,554 and they are giving dividend per share of ksh.1.

Multiply the number of issued shares by dividend per share to get the dividend payout.

Fair enough but this (total dividend payout) is irrelevant when comparing (apples to apples) returns to shareholders like us.
What matters to me (& @young) is the DY or dividend we get NOT the total dividend the firm pays out.


In the NSE and other stock markets such as Dow Jones,Nikkei and NASDAQ companies with the highest dividend yield have the lowest returns to shareholders while companies with the lowest dividend yield have the highest returns to shareholders.


In all the years I've been on the NSE, I've only observed and benefited from that trend with KK (decent buyout price) and Safaricom (capital gains). I would be happy to learn which other NSE counters you've observed with similar correlation (low DY. high returns).

PS: KCB has both good DY and capital gains, so it doesn't fall in that category.
Ericsson
#199 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 8:53:16 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,678
Location: NAIROBI
Monk wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.


The mathematics is based on the issued number of shares for the respectively

NCBA issued shares is 1,497,745,029 so dividend per share has to be about 4 to surpass Co-op
SCBK issued shares is 343510571 so dividend per share has to be 17.2 to surpass coop.

Coop bank issued shares is 5,869,179,554 and they are giving dividend per share of ksh.1.

Multiply the number of issued shares by dividend per share to get the dividend payout.

Fair enough but this (total dividend payout) is irrelevant when comparing (apples to apples) returns to shareholders like us.
What matters to me (& @young) is the DY or dividend we get NOT the total dividend the firm pays out.


In the NSE and other stock markets such as Dow Jones,Nikkei and NASDAQ companies with the highest dividend yield have the lowest returns to shareholders while companies with the lowest dividend yield have the highest returns to shareholders.


In all the years I've been on the NSE, I've only observed and benefited from that trend with KK (decent buyout price) and Safaricom (capital gains). I would be happy to learn which other NSE counters you've observed with similar correlation.

PS: KCB has both good DY and capital gains, so it doesn't fall in the category you mention.


Low DY and very good share price appreciation/capital gains.
Equity DY for the longest time has been below 5
EABL DY has mostly been below 5
Jubilee Holdings
CIC when the price skyrocketed to 11 yet dividend was 10 cents
Centum share price 48-60 with dividend of ksh.1.20

Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Monk
#200 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 9:25:15 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2009
Posts: 256
Ericsson wrote:
Monk wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
young wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
King of dividend in the financial sector for FY2020.
Ksh.1 per share which is a total of Ksh
5.86bn


Yes indeed.
But results of SCBK , ABSA, EQTY, and NIC still outstanding .
Any of them can pull a surprise in terms of dividend or bonus issue.


None of those you have mentioned can match that figure.
NIC would have to give a dividend of ksh.4.20 minimum to surpass the figure.
ABSA expect no dividend.
SCBK issued a profit warning and would have to give a dividend of ksh.18.30 to beat the figure.
Please show us the mathematics behind your numbers. Thank you.


The mathematics is based on the issued number of shares for the respectively

NCBA issued shares is 1,497,745,029 so dividend per share has to be about 4 to surpass Co-op
SCBK issued shares is 343510571 so dividend per share has to be 17.2 to surpass coop.

Coop bank issued shares is 5,869,179,554 and they are giving dividend per share of ksh.1.

Multiply the number of issued shares by dividend per share to get the dividend payout.

Fair enough but this (total dividend payout) is irrelevant when comparing (apples to apples) returns to shareholders like us.
What matters to me (& @young) is the DY or dividend we get NOT the total dividend the firm pays out.


In the NSE and other stock markets such as Dow Jones,Nikkei and NASDAQ companies with the highest dividend yield have the lowest returns to shareholders while companies with the lowest dividend yield have the highest returns to shareholders.


In all the years I've been on the NSE, I've only observed and benefited from that trend with KK (decent buyout price) and Safaricom (capital gains). I would be happy to learn which other NSE counters you've observed with similar correlation.

PS: KCB has both good DY and capital gains, so it doesn't fall in the category you mention.


Low DY and very good share price appreciation/capital gains.
Equity DY for the longest time has been below 5
EABL DY has mostly been below 5
Jubilee Holdings
CIC when the price skyrocketed to 11 yet dividend was 10 cents
Centum share price 48-60 with dividend of ksh.1.20



I'm in EABL, and regrettably in the red from capital loss. Perhaps those who've held it much much longer than I share your fortune on this one.

I'm not in any of the others... I'll check them out, except Centum. Thanks.
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