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sparkly
#91 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2019 10:38:26 AM
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Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


This kind of thinking is what we call imposed mental slavery. It is premised on the idea that the mzungu church was a force for civilisation of the African. That a person not buried by the church is thrown away like a dog, cannot go to heaven.

There is no reason why someone cannot be buried or cremated privately without religious (and in the case of Kenya political) rites.
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wukan
#92 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:08:27 PM
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Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.













sparkly
#93 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2019 3:07:22 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You are oozing with wisdom. You deserve the rank of Chief.
Life is short. Live passionately.
gk
#94 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:31:48 PM
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Joined: 5/17/2008
Posts: 489
sparkly wrote:
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You are oozing with wisdom. You deserve the rank of Chief.


True..
Some Kenyans have acquired very misplaced sense of entitlement. The "haki yetu" mentality!

masukuma
#95 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2019 6:09:40 AM
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I am not catholic but let me ask...does the requiem mass do anything to change the destiny of the dead ama it's an honor of sorts for the deceased and the family.
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Apricot
#96 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2019 7:45:50 AM
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Joined: 10/26/2011
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Location: Nairobi
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You mean to say that of every member of the Catholic faith, who have had glorious requiem masses and well attended burials that none are known to have been murderers or abortionists or child molesters, or plain thugs or adulterers, etc? Say yes and I will find some examples.
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alma1
#97 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:36:28 AM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
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Apricot wrote:
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You mean to say that of every member of the Catholic faith, who have had glorious requiem masses and well attended burials that none are known to have been murderers or abortionists or child molesters, or plain thugs or adulterers, etc? Say yes and I will find some examples.


Wachana na wukan.

I learned long time ago not to waste my time discussing anything of importance with jesus freaks.

If you want to change their minds, just go straight to their "pastor bishop". Buy the "pastor" enough booze and a good sadaka and these freaks shall fall in line wapende wasipende.
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Thitifini
#98 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:42:39 PM
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Joined: 1/15/2015
Posts: 681
Location: Kenya
alma1 wrote:
Apricot wrote:
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You mean to say that of every member of the Catholic faith, who have had glorious requiem masses and well attended burials that none are known to have been murderers or abortionists or child molesters, or plain thugs or adulterers, etc? Say yes and I will find some examples.


Wachana na wukan.

I learned long time ago not to waste my time discussing anything of importance with jesus freaks.

If you want to change their minds, just go straight to their "pastor bishop". Buy the "pastor" enough booze and a good sadaka and these freaks shall fall in line wapende wasipende.


Hahaha.....I also could get a few names to add if @Wukan stood up to the challenge.

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#99 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2019 1:22:40 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
Thitifini wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Apricot wrote:
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You mean to say that of every member of the Catholic faith, who have had glorious requiem masses and well attended burials that none are known to have been murderers or abortionists or child molesters, or plain thugs or adulterers, etc? Say yes and I will find some examples.


Wachana na wukan.

I learned long time ago not to waste my time discussing anything of importance with jesus freaks.

If you want to change their minds, just go straight to their "pastor bishop". Buy the "pastor" enough booze and a good sadaka and these freaks shall fall in line wapende wasipende.


Hahaha.....I also could get a few names to add if @Wukan stood up to the challenge.


Of course the thief who has admitted to stealing KCAA land is normally given front row seat in church (including the so called Catholic church) and addresses the congregation from the pulpit. Yah right coz he has money. Coz of money he is not a murderer (Kiambaa church victims comes to mind).
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Impunity
#100 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2019 1:28:45 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
Apricot wrote:
wukan wrote:
Euge wrote:
I fault my church for not burying Caroline. The church should not join the masses in condemning Caroline. Though I am sure if it was my parish priest, he would have buried her. Pope Francis would be very disappointed to hear this


I can only fault the church for not having a requiem mass for the innocent foetus. Caroline knew the stance of her catholic faith against abortion, against marital infidelity but she chose the easy path. The masses are moral in condemning her actions. The church must be more moral than the masses. If we had glorious funerals in the church for all murderers, gichuge type terrorists and witches then the masses will lose faith. Let Caroline be buried by her pro-choice people with their own rituals.

Even in traditional african society they were different burial practices. Those who went against the community taboos and values got a different funeral than lets say a respected elder. Funeral practices is a way for the living to accord respect for the departed. If you are a local thug don't expect people to turn up for your funeral. In fact what I see nowadays in rural kenya if the community knows you are a thug the immediate family will bury in a quick ceremony.

This illusion of irresponsibility that young people are living under is not the way. You can't go and impregnate someones wife and casually give her money to go abort then call us for a requiem mass. This thinking that one can sin and go to church for absolution for the sins then go back and sin some more is total nonsense. I hope the church can also do the same to those who are corrupt and bring their corrupt money to the church.

There must be a way of teaching values to the younger generation.















You mean to say that of every member of the Catholic faith, who have had glorious requiem masses and well attended burials that none are known to have been murderers or abortionists or child molesters, or plain thugs or adulterers, etc? Say yes and I will find some examples.


"YES" on behalf of @Wukan!
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