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masukuma
#91 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:48:05 PM
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The Eiffel tower is in France. Lot's of Americans fly to France - should the people running the Eiffel tower be taxed by Americans? Lot's of Germans come to the southern coast of Kenya... should those hotels pay taxes to Germany? some proposals are ridiculous.
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tycho
#92 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:13:27 PM
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masukuma wrote:
The Eiffel tower is in France. Lot's of Americans fly to France - should the people running the Eiffel tower be taxed by Americans? Lot's of Germans come to the southern coast of Kenya... should those hotels pay taxes to Germany? some proposals are ridiculous.


What if the tower and hotel are teleported to US and Germany respectively?
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tycho
#93 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:25:36 PM
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I don't think even facebook is in America. It's in a virtual space that can only be determined by where the user is.

If we were to say it's in America because that's where the servers are then we'd be wrong. There are servers in Ireland, Sweden, US, Singapore...

And if it's about incorporation then the matter becomes murkier...
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masukuma
#94 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:53:31 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
The Eiffel tower is in France. Lot's of Americans fly to France - should the people running the Eiffel tower be taxed by Americans? Lot's of Germans come to the southern coast of Kenya... should those hotels pay taxes to Germany? some proposals are ridiculous.


What if the tower and hotel are teleported to US and Germany respectively?

but they don't - your browser is synonymous to a magical set of binoculars combined with robotic arms. so the server never leaves the US - you just see what is in there and change stuff in the server. Your browser can be pointed at anything facebook, twitter e.t.c.
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tycho
#95 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:34:26 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
The Eiffel tower is in France. Lot's of Americans fly to France - should the people running the Eiffel tower be taxed by Americans? Lot's of Germans come to the southern coast of Kenya... should those hotels pay taxes to Germany? some proposals are ridiculous.


What if the tower and hotel are teleported to US and Germany respectively?

but they don't - your browser is synonymous to a magical set of binoculars combined with robotic arms. so the server never leaves the US - you just see what is in there and change stuff in the server. Your browser can be pointed at anything facebook, twitter e.t.c.


I think these applications extend from the browser and into the physical world.

A browser is also a hole through which we enter other worlds.
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murchr
#96 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:16:51 PM
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It's surprising many don't know what the internet is and how it works. Now block chain technology is coming to fruition many will not know what hit them. Better get educated fast.
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murchr
#97 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:25:17 PM
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tycho wrote:
I don't think even facebook is in America. It's in a virtual space that can only be determined by where the user is.

If we were to say it's in America because that's where the servers are then we'd be wrong. There are servers in Ireland, Sweden, US, Singapore...

And if it's about incorporation then the matter becomes murkier...


And Facebook pays taxes in all these countries
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tom_boy
#98 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2018 4:43:36 AM
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Another analogy.

Assuming I order a product from Amazon. The product is shipped via dhl, received at the port of entry, processed and I pay 3 persons in this transaction, Amazon for the product, GoK as duty on the product ( because I am the importer) and I pay DHL as the transporter.

The issue with social media is defining the product and defining the importer. Let's call social medias product ' product x'. I pay for product x with my data. Without agreeing to have my data collected, I cannot access social media.

In defining the importer, let's ask simple questions.

Does FB appear the same to all nationalities? Does FB to the Russian, British and Indian bear the same language, thought process and cultural sensitivities? Does FB hire personnel with a mind to target certain regions of the world, to adapt it's offering to the peculiarities of that region? If indeed the answer is Yes, can you then claim that all individuals who log in to FB are teleported to purchase the product x from one server in the US. What kind of product x is this that is based in one place yet caters to different cultures and is simultaneously in different languages?

I put it to you that FB is the importer of product x into various economies. FB can decide to not have product x available in a certain jurisdiction. So in the case of FB, FB has made ( by default) their product available to me in Kenya. The ISP is the transporter and I purchase from FB with my personal data. As such, FB should pay duty to the government.
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masukuma
#99 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2018 6:26:50 AM
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tom_boy wrote:
Another analogy.

Assuming I order a product from Amazon. The product is shipped via dhl, received at the port of entry, processed and I pay 3 persons in this transaction, Amazon for the product, GoK as duty on the product ( because I am the importer) and I pay DHL as the transporter.

The issue with social media is defining the product and defining the importer. Let's call social medias product ' product x'. I pay for product x with my data. Without agreeing to have my data collected, I cannot access social media.

In defining the importer, let's ask simple questions.

Does FB appear the same to all nationalities? Does FB to the Russian, British and Indian bear the same language, thought process and cultural sensitivities? Does FB hire personnel with a mind to target certain regions of the world, to adapt it's offering to the peculiarities of that region? If indeed the answer is Yes, can you then claim that all individuals who log in to FB are teleported to purchase the product x from one server in the US. What kind of product x is this that is based in one place yet caters to different cultures and is simultaneously in different languages?

I put it to you that FB is the importer of product x into various economies. FB can decide to not have product x available in a certain jurisdiction. So in the case of FB, FB has made ( by default) their product available to me in Kenya. The ISP is the transporter and I purchase from FB with my personal data. As such, FB should pay duty to the government.

the point is they customize it OVER THERE... similar to a Kenyan Hotel having a German translator to attract customers from Germany. Facebook never comes to kenya - you just see it from Kenya. The user interface shows you what is happening within their servers. so the whole story of facebook importing exporting is moot. The only people who can tax them is the US government - you can block your people from seeing them but you cannot tax them. Here is a good example - the US had placed sanctions on travel to Cuba but cuba accepted whomever came to their door. Cuba does not have to go with the whims of anyone.
The Amazon story is not even related to this story - that's a physical good that you request using the magic binoculars and robotic arms.
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murchr
#100 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2018 7:58:54 AM
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tom_boy wrote:
Another analogy.

Assuming I order a product from Amazon. The product is shipped via dhl, received at the port of entry, processed and I pay 3 persons in this transaction, Amazon for the product, GoK as duty on the product ( because I am the importer) and I pay DHL as the transporter.

The issue with social media is defining the product and defining the importer. Let's call social medias product ' product x'. I pay for product x with my data. Without agreeing to have my data collected, I cannot access social media.

In defining the importer, let's ask simple questions.

Does FB appear the same to all nationalities? Does FB to the Russian, British and Indian bear the same language, thought process and cultural sensitivities? Does FB hire personnel with a mind to target certain regions of the world, to adapt it's offering to the peculiarities of that region? If indeed the answer is Yes, can you then claim that all individuals who log in to FB are teleported to purchase the product x from one server in the US. What kind of product x is this that is based in one place yet caters to different cultures and is simultaneously in different languages?

I put it to you that FB is the importer of product x into various economies. FB can decide to not have product x available in a certain jurisdiction. So in the case of FB, FB has made ( by default) their product available to me in Kenya. The ISP is the transporter and I purchase from FB with my personal data. As such, FB should pay duty to the government.



Does Amazon pay GOK taxes because you saw a book and bought it? Don't you pay taxes in US then ship the item? What about if you bought an e-book? Movie? Any taxes paid to Gok? Shipping costs for the movie or ebook?

FB has volunteer translators. Users of the site. Apart from that, there are so many Russian Indian Swahili speakers in US
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