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Centum HY17
Gatheuzi
#91 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 7:08:07 AM
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Net repayments in cash includes 2.9B to Floating Note holders and 3B to RMB. All this totals 5.9B. New borrowings from RMB is 5B. This means the company repaid only 0.9B from its own reserves not including the dilutive 1.3B equity linked note holders who were paid in shares. But yes they repaid 7.2B but not from internally generated funds as asserted.
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Pesa Nane
#92 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 12:15:31 PM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Net repayments in cash includes 2.9B to Floating Note holders and 3B to RMB. All this totals 5.9B. New borrowings from RMB is 5B. This means the company repaid only 0.9B from its own reserves not including the dilutive 1.3B equity linked note holders who were paid in shares. But yes they repaid 7.2B but not from internally generated funds as asserted.


C&P
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A rich tourist comes to town. He enters the only hotel, lays a 100 dollar bill on the reception counter, and goes to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one.

The hotel proprietor takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the butcher. The Butcher takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the pig raiser. The pig raiser takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the supplier of his feed and fuel. The supplier of feed and fuel takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the town’s prostitute that, in these hard times, gave her “services” on credit. The hooker runs to the hotel, and pays off her debt with the 100 dollar bill to the hotel proprietor to pay for the rooms that she rented when she brought her clients there.

The hotel proprietor then lays the 100 dollar bill back on the counter. At that moment, the rich tourist comes down after inspecting the rooms, and takes his 100 dollar bill, after saying he did not like any of the rooms, and leaves town.

No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now without debt, and looks to the future with a lot of optimism.

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
kryptonite
#93 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 12:31:35 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Net repayments in cash includes 2.9B to Floating Note holders and 3B to RMB. All this totals 5.9B. New borrowings from RMB is 5B. This means the company repaid only 0.9B from its own reserves not including the dilutive 1.3B equity linked note holders who were paid in shares. But yes they repaid 7.2B but not from internally generated funds as asserted.


C&P
Quote:
A rich tourist comes to town. He enters the only hotel, lays a 100 dollar bill on the reception counter, and goes to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one.

The hotel proprietor takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the butcher. The Butcher takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the pig raiser. The pig raiser takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the supplier of his feed and fuel. The supplier of feed and fuel takes the 100 dollar bill and runs to pay his debt to the town’s prostitute that, in these hard times, gave her “services” on credit. The hooker runs to the hotel, and pays off her debt with the 100 dollar bill to the hotel proprietor to pay for the rooms that she rented when she brought her clients there.

The hotel proprietor then lays the 100 dollar bill back on the counter. At that moment, the rich tourist comes down after inspecting the rooms, and takes his 100 dollar bill, after saying he did not like any of the rooms, and leaves town.

No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now without debt, and looks to the future with a lot of optimism.




Laughing out loudly Very apt analogy
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alotoftalk
#94 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 7:55:01 PM
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This 35% mark-down (KES 1.6 B) of their holding in Isuzu EA (formerly GMEA) is worrying.

Despite the fact that Centum has had some very good exits of historical assets (KWAL, UAP etc.), it begs the question of which other 'PE' type assets in their current portfolio are over-valued?

http://www.businessdaily...100190-qx8ii8/index.html
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the deal
#95 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 8:02:35 PM
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[quote=alotoftalk]This 35% mark-down (KES 1.6 B) of their holding in Isuzu EA (formerly GMEA) is worrying.

Despite the fact that Centum has had some very good exits of historical assets (KWAL, UAP etc.), it begs the question of which other 'PE' type assets in their current portfolio are over-valued?

http://www.businessdaily...00190-qx8ii8/index.html[/quote]
Not bad at all...real estate portfolio is the crown in the jewel now...still more value to be realised
alotoftalk
#96 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 8:15:47 PM
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the deal wrote:
[quote=alotoftalk]This 35% mark-down (KES 1.6 B) of their holding in Isuzu EA (formerly GMEA) is worrying.

Despite the fact that Centum has had some very good exits of historical assets (KWAL, UAP etc.), it begs the question of which other 'PE' type assets in their current portfolio are over-valued?

http://www.businessdaily...00190-qx8ii8/index.html[/quote]
Not bad at all...real estate portfolio is the crown in the jewel now...still more value to be realized


Real estate is the crown jewel and the one with obvious upside (for now) but there are substantial assets in Almasi (KES 9.56 NAV), Nairobi Bottlers (KES 6.27 NAV), Sidian (KES 3.88 NAV) etc.

With their current "developer of investment grade assets" model, the mark-down is not the best news. It puts more pressure on Centum when trying to justify their internal valuations to potential investors/JV partners.

Investment philosophy development in progress...
obiero
#97 Posted : Monday, September 18, 2017 8:46:45 PM
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alotoftalk wrote:
the deal wrote:
[quote=alotoftalk]This 35% mark-down (KES 1.6 B) of their holding in Isuzu EA (formerly GMEA) is worrying.

Despite the fact that Centum has had some very good exits of historical assets (KWAL, UAP etc.), it begs the question of which other 'PE' type assets in their current portfolio are over-valued?

http://www.businessdaily...00190-qx8ii8/index.html[/quote]
Not bad at all...real estate portfolio is the crown in the jewel now...still more value to be realized


Real estate is the crown jewel and the one with obvious upside (for now) but there are substantial assets in Almasi (KES 9.56 NAV), Nairobi Bottlers (KES 6.27 NAV), Sidian (KES 3.88 NAV) etc.

With their current "developer of investment grade assets" model, the mark-down is not the best news. It puts more pressure on Centum when trying to justify their internal valuations to potential investors/JV partners.


Isuzu, Sidian and Two Rivers are all borderline white elephants in terms of valuation

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sparkly
#98 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:56:50 AM
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[quote=alotoftalk]This 35% mark-down (KES 1.6 B) of their holding in Isuzu EA (formerly GMEA) is worrying.

Despite the fact that Centum has had some very good exits of historical assets (KWAL, UAP etc.), it begs the question of which other 'PE' type assets in their current portfolio are over-valued?

http://www.businessdaily...00190-qx8ii8/index.html[/quote]

Those staff bonuses are based on NAV added.
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kryptonite
#99 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:00:50 AM
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sparkly wrote:
[quote=alotoftalk]This 35% mark-down (KES 1.6 B) of their holding in Isuzu EA (formerly GMEA) is worrying.

Despite the fact that Centum has had some very good exits of historical assets (KWAL, UAP etc.), it begs the question of which other 'PE' type assets in their current portfolio are over-valued?

http://www.businessdaily...00190-qx8ii8/index.html[/quote]

Those staff bonuses are based on NAV added.


You've hit the nail on the head @sparkly
The harder you work, the luckier you get
Ericsson
#100 Posted : Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:11:04 PM
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The Two Rivers Investment is undertaken by listed Kenyan company, Centum Group; China National Aero-Technology International Engineering Corporation and Jiangxi Water and Hydropower Construction Co. ltd (JWHC) have jointly invested 38.89 percent stake.

Upon completion, the investment would cost 800 million U.S. dollars, covering 400,000 square metres of land, covered with retail shops and with a capacity of 50,000 shoppers.
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