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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mv_ufanisi wrote:Africans who try to claim they are Jews e.g. Akorino or Arabs e.g. some Somalis will be quickly cured of this fallacy once they go to live in Israel or the Middle East. I have heard some Ethiopians claim the same as well. Shock on them!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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History may be a struggle for narrative control among various parties. For example, the tussle for Jerusalem.
And perhaps to disturb the waters further, I posit that Jewishness is the remnant of ancient African philosophy as decay saw the bronze age transition to the iron age.
First, the tree of life, that is central to Jewish thought has its origins in pre-dynastic Egypt. The name 'Israel' is given when this tree is depicted in Jacob's dream. The name has an implication of a transition of ideas from Isis, Ra, to Elyon. Moses learnt his trade and being in Egypt. Ditto Jesus, the disputed Messiah.
Another piece of evidence I may give is Gikuyu, Akamba, Maasai ... or fairly recent tradition. The tree of life is still a persistent feature, and even more interesting, the mythology of Jacob and Esau is a common feature. For example among the Aini Nthengo, an Akamba clan, 'Mwito mwasa' - The giant, is fought by his younger brother. The motif is found in Maasai mythology too.
The coincidence of myth and symbol, and historical ties are adequate grounds for African claims to Jewishness.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 625
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tycho wrote:History may be a struggle for narrative control among various parties. For example, the tussle for Jerusalem.
And perhaps to disturb the waters further, I posit that Jewishness is the remnant of ancient African philosophy as decay saw the bronze age transition to the iron age.
First, the tree of life, that is central to Jewish thought has its origins in pre-dynastic Egypt. The name 'Israel' is given when this tree is depicted in Jacob's dream. The name has an implication of a transition of ideas from Isis, Ra, to Elyon. Moses learnt his trade and being in Egypt. Ditto Jesus, the disputed Messiah.
Another piece of evidence I may give is Gikuyu, Akamba, Maasai ... or fairly recent tradition. The tree of life is still a persistent feature, and even more interesting, the mythology of Jacob and Esau is a common feature. For example among the Aini Nthengo, an Akamba clan, 'Mwito mwasa' - The giant, is fought by his younger brother. The motif is found in Maasai mythology too.
The coincidence of myth and symbol, and historical ties are adequate grounds for African claims to Jewishness. I don't see how this meets the criteria for solid evidence. What we have are a few cherrypicked similarities between Jewish and African culture. This is a very weak argument. I can list 1,000 similarities between a sheep and an elephant and then claim that they are actually just one and the same animal but that doesnt change the fact that there may be 10,000 differences. Kikuyus are way much more similar to Luos, Kalenjin, Luhyas and Maasais than to Jews. Its the height of intellectual laziness to make such claims on such weak evidence. You would have to present the myriad differences as well before your claim can be considered. We are still not yet living in an age of knowledge when you see how such claims are easily accepted.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@mv_ufanisi:
1. My argument is not based on similarity alone. It is based on what are regarded as historical facts of origination. The tree of life is an ancient Egyptian product exclusively, and the Jews get this idea from them.
2. Etymology goes beyond simple similarities. Israel has documented history in ancient Egypt
3. Mythologies of people and how they are selected are hardly accidental
4. Jewishness is defined in terms of mythology and practice and not simple genealogy
Sheep and elephants have eyes and ears. Both have tails, but the similarities can hardly be reduced to the above categories.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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One is born a jew, just like one is born an okuyo or joluo. You cant convert to become a jew, just like you cant convert to become an okuyo or joluo.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:One is born a jew, just like one is born an okuyo or joluo. You cant convert to become a jew, just like you cant convert to become an okuyo or joluo. That's not true. It is possible to become a Jew by ratification from a rabbinic court. Children born of a Jewish man and a non-Jewish woman may not be Jewish. Even here in Kenya, a child born of a luo mother and a luhyia man, may end up being a Dorobo. Identity comes out of socialization, not parturition.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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hardwood wrote:One is born a jew, just like one is born an okuyo or joluo. You cant convert to become a jew, just like you cant convert to become an okuyo or joluo. Ivanka Trump converted to a jew after she got married to the Kushner! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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are these ones safe or have been mistaken for hamas? i.am.back!!!!
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