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Referendum – the ambiguity of 1M signatures
masukuma
#91 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:25:08 AM
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Othelo wrote:
Mtafiti wrote:
Must the referendum address the three Cord issues or is open for other meaty matters to be included? For example, is it an opportunity to streamline MCA's insatiable appetite, set the age limit for contesting for some public positions, entrench the frequency of issuance of polio vaccine, and set the expected behavior of a member of the people's party, etc?

You are creating your own referendum not CORD/Babu's referendum! smile

if you get signatures for your issues - yes! you can ride on the back of this referendum. any stakeholder that felt disenfranchised last time including the church should address issues it had in the constitution NOW! hiyo 8 billion ifanye kazi mzuri.

hopefully each issue will have it's ballot! some go though some die. democracy at it's best.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
McReggae
#92 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:34:09 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Mtafiti wrote:
Must the referendum address the three Cord issues or is open for other meaty matters to be included? For example, is it an opportunity to streamline MCA's insatiable appetite, set the age limit for contesting for some public positions, entrench the frequency of issuance of polio vaccine, and set the expected behavior of a member of the people's party, etc?

You are creating your own referendum not CORD/Babu's referendum! smile

if you get signatures for your issues - yes! you can ride on the back of this referendum. any stakeholder that felt disenfranchised last time including the church should address issues it had in the constitution NOW! hiyo 8 billion ifanye kazi mzuri.

hopefully each issue will have it's ballot! some go though some die. democracy at it's best.


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..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
AlphDoti
#93 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:57:58 AM
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2012 wrote:
limanika wrote:
@2012, Still waiting 4 justfication how this referendum will solve all our problems by 1 magic touch! This will be a big blunder(worse than mathenge fiasco ) if it goes ahead. He will try to stand up and dust himself as usual but too much srlf-damage will have been done! Let it come if it must!!!

We all know that babu's plan is to use the referendum to gauge his popularity and see if he has a chance in 2017. This referendum if all goes according to his plans should happen when Jubilee government is 2-1/2 years ie half way through. The referendum has nothing to do with the mwenyenchi yet it's going to cost us 8B. It's the reason why babu has hired experts to look for no brainer and obvious question for the referendum that will get an automatic yes. But he has a major challenge in that most of the things that can get an easy nod can be amended by/through parliament without a referendum and the fear for babu becomes that he will become a joke if it goes wrong and lawyers like Ahmednasir will have a field day when they go to court to stop the planned referendum on technicalities.

So as much as I would like to see this referendum go all the way to the debe, it will never see the light of day and the biggest beneficiaries will be the lawyers yet again and as usual.

I agree with @2012.

No need for referendum.

People chose this garment, let them work.
Let things be debated in parliament.
No garment is interested in the people, even if we do referendum, they'll still go on and do their own things.
See IDPs are still in the camps 7 years down the line. How many garments have passed?

So this is just a waste of time and money.

Not that I'm against Babu or in support of Jubilee. No, just my realistic observation.

These govts are not interested in you. Did you see how the medical bill was handled? These always go the way for the rich, those who own hospitals and supply drugs.

The vote will always go their way. Not the way of mwananji kama sisi. Your job is to pay the 30% tax. I told you we need a govt that will charge us only 2.5% of what remains, not what you earn!
Mtafiti
#94 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:05:28 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Mtafiti wrote:
Must the referendum address the three Cord issues or is open for other meaty matters to be included? For example, is it an opportunity to streamline MCA's insatiable appetite, set the age limit for contesting for some public positions, entrench the frequency of issuance of polio vaccine, and set the expected behavior of a member of the people's party, etc?

You are creating your own referendum not CORD/Babu's referendum! smile

if you get signatures for your issues - yes! you can ride on the back of this referendum. any stakeholder that felt disenfranchised last time including the church should address issues it had in the constitution NOW! hiyo 8 billion ifanye kazi mzuri.

hopefully each issue will have it's ballot! some go though some die. democracy at it's best.


Thanks @Masukuma. Kama itakuwa, si we utilize this chance?
limanika
#95 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:42:24 AM
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How much would it cost to collect the 1m signatures? There is a Guy who says he can spearhead collection in order not to waste opportunity presented by cord. Among the issues is age limits and other anomalies. He says he will set up Mpesa line 4 Kenyans to fund collection of the 1m signatures,
Shak
#96 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:24:21 PM
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Now that Uhuru has signed the bill where devolved funds will be at least 43pc of national revenue, aren't Cords options on the referendum slowly diminishing?
washiku
#97 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:41:55 PM
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Today the "committee of experts" met the "evil" IEBC to discuss the referendum... Interesting.
harrydre
#98 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:43:14 PM
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Shak wrote:
Now that Uhuru has signed the bill where devolved funds will be at least 43pc of national revenue, aren't Cords options on the referendum slowly diminishing?


smile


i.am.back!!!!
limanika
#99 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:45:32 AM
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Shak wrote:
Now that Uhuru has signed the bill where devolved funds will be at least 43pc of national revenue, aren't Cords options on the referendum slowly diminishing?

Knowing Raila he will now say he meant 40% of government expenditures, I.e. including loans and grants. These people can sink us into bottomless pit if not checked
McReggae
#100 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:49:54 AM
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limanika wrote:
Shak wrote:
Now that Uhuru has signed the bill where devolved funds will be at least 43pc of national revenue, aren't Cords options on the referendum slowly diminishing?

Knowing Raila he will now say he meant 40% of government expenditures, I.e. including loans and grants. These people can sink us into bottomless pit if not checked


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even without the loans/grants: Ksh. 226 B for county governments and Ksh. 799 B for national governments can never make a 43%:57% ratio, danganya jinga!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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