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Uhuru heads to china
murchr
#91 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 1:36:39 AM
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maka wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Jubilee is looking at vision 2030...

China will overtake USA in GDP in 2025 and will go on to be the worlds richest country by 2050!

For those who can see the future, the time to court China is now...


Read this....

www.telegraph.co.uk/fina...s-century-after-all.html


Chinas power is in its population, the more they take people out of poverty the better for them, the slow down may have come because of the slow down in Eu and USA but since the numbers in EU and US have started to improve then China will grow again they are the world's manufacturers. Even with the slow down, their economy grew at 7%...they cant be underestimated. India will follow.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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nostoppingthis
#92 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 7:55:53 AM
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maka wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
One thing Kibaki got right, and Uhuru seems about to carry forward is to prioritize infrastructure.

Without good infrastructure Kenya's development will not happen.

As it is now China owns the largest part of infrastructure investment in the country today. If I was Uhuru I would do exactly what he is doing.

The low value, high cost, many strings attached aid from from the West will certainly not realize vision 2030.

Sanctimonious sermons on good governance, democratization etc crafted by Harvard interns maybe all well and good for their time.

But Kenya now needs railways, roads, bridges, and electricity.


Thats well and good but the question still lingers do the chinese add value?lets be honest with this...and I have brought it before they bring everything fro their country even left hand trucks wheelbarrow,spades etc...the roads arent for free we are paying for them...why cant they be forced to support local industries....and surely at this time and age we cant have competent Kenyans building the roads for crying out loud...


The book "The Capitalist Nigger" by Dr. Chika Onyeani comes to mind....that's the direction Kenya and Kenyans should take...
josimar
#93 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 8:14:29 AM
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My understanding is that China has not invested in any Infrastructure in the country, what their Government does is offer long term loans to the Kenya Government on condition that a Chinese Company undertakes the project. In actual sense it is the Kenya Government making the Investment and not China.
McReggae
#94 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 8:33:48 AM
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nakujua wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Who has the details on how it went down in Russia kidiplomasia?


Admin Cord Effect has them n more.

some individuals can't wait for the president to be embarrassed, its like wishing for your child to perform poorly just because your spouse won the child custody case.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ......so tunyamaze and move on....I like the clarion call from the denominator!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
maka
#95 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 9:31:46 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
Finally Uhuru visited Moscow, but Putin was a no show! He didn't bother to meet the KE president ...What went wrong? I hope China treats him well...no egg on the face moment ....


It cannot have been a state visit. You cannot invite a president to your country then snub him, neither can one force a state visit to a place he is unwanted. Cord propaganda not adding up!


The hyaenas waiting for the arm to fall.It will be a cold day in hell.


Hapo sasa. The fatalists.


Guys are truly pushing this story...not good I asked before will it be like this for the nxt 4 yrs i wake in the morning and my whats app is full of links to gutter press as to how UK was snubbed by Putin surely we are better than this...
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ZZE123
#96 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 9:36:48 AM
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maka wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
One thing Kibaki got right, and Uhuru seems about to carry forward is to prioritize infrastructure.

Without good infrastructure Kenya's development will not happen.

As it is now China owns the largest part of infrastructure investment in the country today. If I was Uhuru I would do exactly what he is doing.

The low value, high cost, many strings attached aid from from the West will certainly not realize vision 2030.

Sanctimonious sermons on good governance, democratization etc crafted by Harvard interns maybe all well and good for their time.

But Kenya now needs railways, roads, bridges, and electricity.


Thats well and good but the question still lingers do the chinese add value?lets be honest with this...and I have brought it before they bring everything fro their country even left hand trucks wheelbarrow,spades etc...the roads arent for free we are paying for them...why cant they be forced to support local industries....and surely at this time and age we cant have competent Kenyans building the roads for crying out loud...

I hear that Ephraim Maina lost the elections because his company Kirinyaga construction is yet to complete the Sagana – Nyeri road a contract he was awarded during the Moi era.d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
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TAZ
#97 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 10:00:47 AM
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ZZE123 wrote:
maka wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
One thing Kibaki got right, and Uhuru seems about to carry forward is to prioritize infrastructure.

Without good infrastructure Kenya's development will not happen.

As it is now China owns the largest part of infrastructure investment in the country today. If I was Uhuru I would do exactly what he is doing.

The low value, high cost, many strings attached aid from from the West will certainly not realize vision 2030.

Sanctimonious sermons on good governance, democratization etc crafted by Harvard interns maybe all well and good for their time.

But Kenya now needs railways, roads, bridges, and electricity.


Thats well and good but the question still lingers do the chinese add value?lets be honest with this...and I have brought it before they bring everything fro their country even left hand trucks wheelbarrow,spades etc...the roads arent for free we are paying for them...why cant they be forced to support local industries....and surely at this time and age we cant have competent Kenyans building the roads for crying out loud...

I hear that Ephraim Maina lost the elections because his company Kirinyaga construction is yet to complete the Sagana – Nyeri road a contract he was awarded during the Moi era.d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


I believe most (if not all) of the Kenyan construction companies are totally useless. Kwanza i don't know who is working on the roads at Upper Hill but hapo kuna shida.
Wakanyugi
#98 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 10:06:01 AM
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maka wrote:
Thats well and good but the question still lingers do the chinese add value?lets be honest with this...and I have brought it before they bring everything fro their country even left hand trucks wheelbarrow,spades etc...the roads arent for free we are paying for them...why cant they be forced to support local industries....and surely at this time and age we cant have competent Kenyans building the roads for crying out loud...


Good question. But I think it is for us to push the Chinese to add value, otherwise they are it for their own interest.

But their 'turnkey' model already adds value by delivering fairly good quality projects on time and at a price that no Western company can match.

Strapped for cash as we are, Kenya would be foolish not to take such a deal.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Kausha
#99 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 1:11:32 PM
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Net net I think Chinese good short term value but take away long term value. True they make excellent roads and at fair cost, however it's well known they ship in most of their materials from Chinese suppliers. Whereas we are getting good roads built in a short time which go on to support our SERVICE economy (efficient movement etc) we are slowly destroying our manufacturing industry and not transferring skills to our workers. We are also screwing our current account at the same time by by importing locally manufactured materials and equipment, it means the money paid out to Chinese contractors is shipped out which effectively means we are importing roads as well in addition to importing cars and other equipment we don't manufacture.

At some point we will want a national debate about this China infrastructure involvement. I know my argument may not appeal to all but from an economic standpoint all you need to do is put some figures around around all the pros and cons and extract a net!

We should also stop deriding ourselves the west has unreasonable attachments to aid. There is an unhealthy collaboration between the state and media in intoxicating the brains and nostrils of the citizenry with an ANTIWEST repellant while simultaneously delivering copious amounts of the EAST collogne. If the US provides Global funds to provide antiretroviral medication isn't it only fair for them to seek complete accountability for the same funds to ensure the funds are used for the intended purposes? or would we rather have Ms Gachara embezzle the money. How is that when an airport burns, when faced with natural disasters or there is hunger in the nation we always seek for help from US and Europe why don't we seek for help from China? Look at China's contribution to our country, it's largely in infrastructure, energy etc where it's their people who come to do the work, we rarely get to hear about boreholes, dams, schools, hospitals, money for medication, capacity building, security from China, it's only roads money and energy extraction money.
maka
#100 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 1:19:47 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
maka wrote:
Thats well and good but the question still lingers do the chinese add value?lets be honest with this...and I have brought it before they bring everything fro their country even left hand trucks wheelbarrow,spades etc...the roads arent for free we are paying for them...why cant they be forced to support local industries....and surely at this time and age we cant have competent Kenyans building the roads for crying out loud...


Good question. But I think it is for us to push the Chinese to add value, otherwise they are it for their own interest.

But their 'turnkey' model already adds value by delivering fairly good quality projects on time and at a price that no Western company can match.

Strapped for cash as we are, Kenya would be foolish not to take such a deal.




And thats why before the Prez signs anything he should ensure that he emphasises on those Chinese fellows to promote local businesses go to hapo muthurwa buy Kenyan wheelbarrows and spades,use locally assembled trucks etc
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