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TNA - I Believe
madollar
#91 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:23:41 PM
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TAZ wrote:
madollar wrote:
uhuru is day dreaming if he think will be the 4th president of kenya with the new katiba it will be a miracle for a kyuk to be a president ever again as he will always make it to the run off then all other communities will be uniting for the other candidate


Sad You have a problem!


oh now i have problem!!!so i should side with your opinion be realistic or visit the mashinani guys the thought of another mt kenya presidency is not being entertained at all!

if we vote for uhuru emmasse in round and then again during the run off .it will be official we cannot vote for someone else then as a community will be done when it comes to leadership this is what will be used every election and the 41 vs 1 will be very effective during the run off

That why leaders like kioni,nderitu and others have realised this and are in UDF





TAZ
#92 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:13:18 PM
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madollar wrote:
TAZ wrote:
madollar wrote:
uhuru is day dreaming if he think will be the 4th president of kenya with the new katiba it will be a miracle for a kyuk to be a president ever again as he will always make it to the run off then all other communities will be uniting for the other candidate


Sad You have a problem!


oh now i have problem!!!so i should side with your opinion be realistic or visit the mashinani guys the thought of another mt kenya presidency is not being entertained at all!



Actually its quite obvious really but for what its worth my post was not about UK but the comments highlighted. Where in the new constitution does it state that a Kikuyu can never be President? To win a run-off you need 50+1 votes, according to the last released opinion polls, there would be a tie between RAO & UK. Maybe we need someone from another community as President but to me it should not be about tribe. In 2002 all communities united against Moi's Kalenjins, in 2007 its was against Kikuyus, if RAO wins then next time it will be against Luos....maybe we should just ignore elections and start by giving all communities a shot at the Presidency on rotational basis.

Btw just to be clear, PK is my preferred candidate based on his performance as MP for Gatanga but he has not made any declarations.
Lucid_Iam
#93 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:43:02 PM
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TAZ wrote:
madollar wrote:
uhuru is day dreaming if he think will be the 4th president of kenya with the new katiba it will be a miracle for a kyuk to be a president ever again as he will always make it to the run off then all other communities will be uniting for the other candidate


Sad You have a problem!


And a major one.
mkeiyd
#94 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:30:18 PM
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TAZ wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:


Why i would not for Karua is simple, politics is about numbers. She doesn't have them as of now. She's not the most ideal candidate for me. My ideal candidate is Peter Kenneth,but him too, no numbers yet. So voting for any of the two is like voting for Uhuru and i don't believe in him. Which makes me go for the second best alternative.


Pardon me for turning this thread into a discussion on MK and RAO but i just want to understand your point of view. In 2002 almost all Kenyans voted for Mk what i want to know is what has RAO done since 2007 that has made you think otherwise of him. Don't you think the part highlighted in red contradicts with what you stated in you previous post. If your ideal candidate is PK then why don't just vote for him instead of going for the next worst person after UK.

UK is not my preferred candidate, as someone has pointed out i also don't think either him of RAO deserve to be President but kama its between those two then he'll have my vote. If it was about issues then i would not be talking about these two because they both belong in the crop of politicians we need to get rid of if we are to achieve anything as a country. I believe the reason why most RAO supporters want the race to be between him and UK is because they feel Kenyans will always have issues with the Kenyatta family (historical injustices), the ICC and the fact that he is a kikuyu. In my opinion if we elect UK, no matter what he does or does not do, hizi kelele will go on for the next 5 years...same goes for RAO.

One of the reason why i have never been a supporter of RAO is because he has been in govt since siku za Moi (in very powerful positions) but always maintains that he can only bring change as President. We seem to forget that since 2002 we have not had any official opposition to check on the government.....they've all been part of the govt sasa they are telling us ati its time for change and reforms, please!


@TAZ, You are beginning to sound irrational. You want to vote for "NOT your preferred candidate" and you don't me to do the same?

By not voting for Uhuru makes me a Kikuyu hater? Was Kibaki not a Gikuyu? Did you even read thru' my post?
What has changed since 2007 for me to vote for RAO? Kibaki is not on the ballot and i was not happy with how he handled the infamous 2007 elections. I wouldn't vote for him even if he were to be on the ballot.

Everybody who doesn't agree with you and doesn't vote for Uhuru, their opinion ni kelele to you?
Talk of arrogance.
Do you know my tribe to say i'm one of those who are not voting for him just coz he's a gikuyu? What is Kibaki? Koi koi?
Are you telling Kenyans to forget everything Kenyatta did, turn a blind eye on ICC and just vote for your scion?
Would you mind telling me how ICC will play out? Do you know the out come for certain?
Why ensnare the whole country for a single soul who's never lost sleep for any of the ordinary kenyans?

You said "if it were about issues" you would not even talk about RAO nor Uhuru,care telling me what it is about? Height? Wife? Pet?
I said not unless you tell me how he,Uhuru is sensibly going to attempt to solve any historical injustices,deal with ICC just to mention a few, i said you will let me be.
Is that too much to ask for?
selah
#95 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:55:30 PM
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Numbers or No numbers mimi na mama(Martha Karua) mpaka kwa debe.

I have never seen her contradict herself...ama kuregarega...toughness is in her DNA.

In all her ministries I saw a worker and A doer not yip yapping all the time.

The reason I dont Believe(TNA)or eat Oranges is because there is no difference btwn this Two one Is capitalist and the other socialist but are happy with the status quo.

Their politics are nothing like thier Fathers...take Odinga's father for instance he fought for the right of all kenyans and in terms of development he influenced the Russians to build state of the art Hospital in Kisumu...Mind you he was not a president...what has Raila done for his pple Nothing.

Uhuru is nothing like his father,to unite kenyans Kenyatta chose Moi to be his vicepresident and eventually passed the mantle to him even when his kitchen cabinet was against it...Thats how nationalist roll.Uhuru who was in ODM jumped ship just days to an election to support his own tribesman...Thats just shows the caliber of a leader we are dealing with.







'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
Robinhood
#96 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:55:58 PM
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Why do I think that the union between Uhuru and Ruto is simply like a marriage between two alpha males? While they have their back to the wall, they will fight like crazy, but once the heat cools (ocampo has relaxed his thing) they turn on each other?
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
poundfoolish
#97 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:27:08 PM
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selah wrote:
Numbers or No numbers mimi na mama(Martha Karua) mpaka kwa debe.

I have never seen her contradict herself...ama kuregarega...toughness is in her DNA.

In all her ministries I saw a worker and A doer not yip yapping all the time.

The reason I dont Believe(TNA)or eat Oranges is because there is no difference btwn this Two one Is capitalist and the other socialist but are happy with the status quo.

Their politics are nothing like thier Fathers...take Odinga's father for instance he fought for the right of all kenyans and in terms of development he influenced the Russians to build state of the art Hospital in Kisumu...Mind you he was not a president...what has Raila done for his pple Nothing.

Uhuru is nothing like his father,to unite kenyans Kenyatta chose Moi to be his vicepresident and eventually passed the mantle to him even when his kitchen cabinet was against it...Thats how nationalist roll.Uhuru who was in ODM jumped ship just days to an election to support his own tribesman...Thats just shows the caliber of a leader we are dealing with.










WAIT!!!!! Kenyatta's preferred successor was one Dr. Njoroge Magana Mungai... until, i hear, he did the unthinkable (not un-doable though) in the kings court...
TAZ
#98 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:55:55 PM
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selah wrote:
Numbers or No numbers mimi na mama(Martha Karua) mpaka kwa debe.

I have never seen her contradict herself...ama kuregarega...toughness is in her DNA.

In all her ministries I saw a worker and A doer not yip yapping all the time.

The reason I dont Believe(TNA)or eat Oranges is because there is no difference btwn this Two one Is capitalist and the other socialist but are happy with the status quo.

Their politics are nothing like thier Fathers...take Odinga's father for instance he fought for the right of all kenyans and in terms of development he influenced the Russians to build state of the art Hospital in Kisumu...Mind you he was not a president...what has Raila done for his pple Nothing.

Uhuru is nothing like his father,to unite kenyans Kenyatta chose Moi to be his vicepresident and eventually passed the mantle to him even when his kitchen cabinet was against it...Thats how nationalist roll.Uhuru who was in ODM jumped ship just days to an election to support his own tribesman...Thats just shows the caliber of a leader we are dealing with.









Ditto! Very well put

@ Mkeyid.....Why have you taken my opinion out of context to fit your own argument. No where in my post have i displayed any arrogance neither have i called anyone a kikuyu hater, i simply gave my opinion on one of the reasons given by people who are anti-UK on why they would not vote for him besides the ICC matter....most people are of the opinion that we should have a President from another community. I said my preferred candidate is PK and i'm willing to vote for him all the way as long as he's in the race hata kama he won't have enough votes to win but I'll vote for UK if the race is only btwn him and RAO.

I'm not concerned with your tribe and that's why it never came up in my discussion, btw its not just Kikuyus who voted for MK in 2007 you know. From your post its very clear that you have so much hatred for UK but you really need to accommodate the idea that there are people out there who adore him, same with RAO. As much as i always declare that i can't vote for RAO, I've reconciled myself with the fact that there's a very high probability that he could be the next President. I cannot tell you how UK will resolve historical injustices because i don't think he can do it but then again i asked you who can and how will they do it. How will RAO or whoever it will be solve the land issues in RV?
nostoppingthis
#99 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:03:46 PM
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@Taz, RAO is willing to step on toes (hence the status quo guys aren't on his side)...Any of those other guys are willing to accommodate each other (or remain silent on certain issues), so that they have the "numbers"...
These guys have ruled for this many years, and as people say "we were with Singapore in relation to development, but look at them now"...
TAZ
#100 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:17:42 PM
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@ Nostoppingthis.....You know for what its worth, i would really want to see RAO as President so as to clear all these uncertainties. MK was Moi's biggest critic before 2002 and we all had so much optimism that he would solve all our problems....10 years down the line we are still discussing the same issues. In my opinion i don't think RAO will do much either probably that is why the old guard want him in but then again we'll never know unless he is given a chance.
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