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Boundaries Review Commission (IIBRC). What's the big fuss?
2012
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:13:30 AM
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I don't get what the big deal is. Surely how many constituencies can you have in Central? Should we divide constituencies using acres? I think this Ligale team has done a commendable job. What's your view?

BBI will solve it
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Mpenzi
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:33:06 AM
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2012 - Please answer just 2 of the many querries being raised?

1. Why were Langata and Westlands divided into 2 yet Dagoretti with a similar population was not?

2. Why was Vihiga (with a population of about 90,000) divided into 2 yet some others with higher population were not???? (hint hint - where does Ligale come from smile )
2012
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:46:07 AM
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@Mpenzi
Is it about population or representation and distribution of resources? Population cannot be the only determinant as it is not a constant.

BBI will solve it
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kadonye
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:59:24 AM
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@2012, I have screamed a million times here that parliament's main role is REPRESENTATION.Thus population must be the main criterion.Thus the issue Beth was raising about Dagoretti vis a vis Lang'ata and Westlands holds weight
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:05:35 AM
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hear are the 2009 census results ,
You can comment from an informed point of view
http://www.knbs.or.ke/Ce...ults/KNBS%20Brochure.pdf
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Njung'e
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:50:38 AM
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Ligale playing politics......idiot!
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Sober
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:13:05 PM
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Mpenzi wrote:
2012 - Please answer just 2 of the many querries being raised?

1. Why were Langata and Westlands divided into 2 yet Dagoretti with a similar population was not?

2. Why was Vihiga (with a population of about 90,000) divided into 2 yet some others with higher population were not???? (hint hint - where does Ligale come from smile )


do not mislead people. population alone means nothing. talk of population density to bring aut the picture of how concentrated people are.
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Mpenzi
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:22:34 PM
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Sober wrote:
Mpenzi wrote:
2012 - Please answer just 2 of the many querries being raised?

1. Why were Langata and Westlands divided into 2 yet Dagoretti with a similar population was not?

2. Why was Vihiga (with a population of about 90,000) divided into 2 yet some others with higher population were not???? (hint hint - where does Ligale come from smile )


do not mislead people. population alone means nothing. talk of population density to bring aut the picture of how concentrated people are.


Sober - ok, please enlighten us about pop densities in Dagoretti, Westlands, Langata and Vihiga and the consequent allocation of constituencies.
FundamentAli
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:56:17 PM
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Only in Kenya do people agree on a formula and then go ahead to ignore it on implementation. It was agreed that constituencies with small populations will be protected and this was to pacify the arid and semi arid areas. It also turns out that Nyeri County was favoured by Moi and is overrepresented. Such a scenarioas the argument goes is working to the under represented Kiambu County. Height of impunity is when someone gives themselves powers that they do not pocess. If you agree on something, bite the bullet and live with it. The exercise is supposed to make everyone happy but some people want to take advantage of it.
Mpenzi
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:10:17 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
Only in Kenya do people agree on a formula and then go ahead to ignore it on implementation. It was agreed that constituencies with small populations will be protected and this was to pacify the arid and semi arid areas. It also turns out that Nyeri County was favoured by Moi and is overrepresented. Such a scenarioas the argument goes is working to the under represented Kiambu County. Height of impunity is when someone gives themselves powers that they do not pocess. If you agree on something, bite the bullet and live with it. The exercise is supposed to make everyone happy but some people want to take advantage of it.


All well what you say though could you provide evidence as regards the alleged favouritism and "over-representation" of the Nyeri County - and Moi favoured this county? - this is news indeed!. And could answer the questions above about Dagoretti, Westlands, Langata and Vihiga.
kadonye
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:45:21 PM
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Sober wrote:

do not mislead people. population alone means nothing. talk of population density to bring aut the picture of how concentrated people are.

What do you mean?where does density come in when we're choosing representatives?Democracy is simple arithmetic: 1 man, 1 vote
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:21:54 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Ligale playing politics......idiot!


Sure he is really an idiot...now he has managed to halt the good momentum that was picking up on many fronts!!! ABK.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:35:45 PM
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@King,
This are the kind of people who do not wish to be remembered when they die.......they are so useless.What is difficulty in playing and getting it right first time?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
gmg
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:41:50 PM
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http://www.capitalfm.co....ssly-miscalculated.html
see the ill of work done by politicians
Njung'e
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:46:40 PM
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@Gmg,
Thanks for the link........This is SHAME and a total waste of public funds.This idiot should be made to pay.....and i hope those Mpigs who were making noise will think twice now.

I hope Andrew reads this;

Isn't it a shame that Ligale's work can't measure to that of his sons - Issack Hassan and Mohammed Abdikadir - who have executed their responsibilities with unique, shining exemplary dignity and diligence.

Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
newfarer
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:49:19 PM
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@ Guka , and when he dies you will see a person saying 'nation mourns the death of so & soShame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you '


After doing some analysis, I think Ligale was unfair to many Kenyans.

I'm happy my constituency was split into two though.

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YesuWangu
#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:53:32 PM
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kadonye wrote:
Sober wrote:

do not mislead people. population alone means nothing. talk of population density to bring aut the picture of how concentrated people are.

What do you mean?where does density come in when we're choosing representatives?Democracy is simple arithmetic: 1 man, 1 vote


Surely kadonye.....no one is disputing that only 1 man/woman 1 vote, but it is more than just voting.

You can have all the mpigs you want in your constituency, even 20 of them.

But this thing is about CDF. and its weighted distribution methods. Yeah, especially that. Only that.
anasazi
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:55:51 PM
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Haiya....

Reading that article shows clearly why the IBRC just totally messed up. Shame!
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mwenza
#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:00:27 PM
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The most annoying thing is that this geriatric never expected kenyans to see through his machinations.
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newfarer
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:02:44 PM
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anasazi wrote:
Haiya....

Reading that article shows clearly why the IBRC just totally messed up. Shame!


My sixth sense was right , anything that Moi supports immediately is never good for the country. He supported the new constituencies and I was suspicious .


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