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Is PM still a reformer?
Nandwa
#1 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:29:18 AM
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I have observed the utterances and actions of RAO and I am afraid he doesnt strike me as the reformer he sold himself as when he came round looking for our votes.
My observations;
He has shifted his stand point on PEV justice issue. He has become so non commital and equivocal on the subject that it is obvious he is no longer interested in the matter!!!

He was on telly a few weeks ago assuring Imanyara and the Nation that he was going to support the latter's motion on local tribunal. He never kept his word!!!

He is on the fore front in defending the Gov. even when things are not too rosy.

He is arrogantly inviting his colleagues to quit cabinet instead of employing wisdom to engage them with a view to holding his house together.
He is slowly drifting towards number one Kibaki defender and apologist. I was particularly embarassed when I saw him on telly competing with Kasyoka on who btn them was to meet and shake Kibakis hand first as he came out of his car!

When they campained we were made to believe that he was going to support his deputy for the presidency in 2012. He has been talking of running again seemingly without any consideration for other guys career.

Politicians are truly turn coats.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
gathinga
#2 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:54:10 AM
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@Nandwa. How can one be a reformer in an environment like ours? Picture this;

1.You introduce unga for the poor...business lobysts accuse you of being anti-market forces and sabotage the process

2.You try to move people out of Mau,you are accused of punishing a tribe!

3. You try to reign in a Rogue parliament that has cleary out stepped their mandate and you are accused of being a dictator

4. Push for implementation of report on police and judicial reforms. conservative elements, whom you work with in the same cabinet/govt sabotage the same

My take ....being a reformer is easier aid than done. Better to be a pragmatist like RAO and respond to issues as they come. Principles will bring you down in this politics our ours.
DonBen
#3 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:11:52 AM
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Nandwa wrote:
I have observed the utterances and actions of RAO and I am afraid he doesnt strike me as the reformer he sold himself as when he came round looking for our votes.
My observations;
He has shifted his stand point on PEV justice issue. He has become so non commital and equivocal on the subject that it is obvious he is no longer interested in the matter!!!
He was on telly a few weeks ago assuring Imanyara and the Nation that he was going to support the latter's motion on local tribunal. He never kept his word!!!
He is on the fore front in defending the Gov. even when things are not too rosy.
He is arrogantly inviting his colleagues to quit instead of employing wisdom to engage them with a view to holding his house together.
He is slowly drifting towards number one Kibaki defender and apologist. I was particularly embarassed when I saw him on telly competing with Kasyoka on who btn them was to meet and shake Kibakis hand first as he came out of his car!
When they campained we were made to believe that he was going to support his deputy for the presidency in 2012. He has been talking of running again seemingly without any consideration for other guys career.

Politicians are truly turn coats.


So RAO is a turncoat and anti-reformist.In your opinion who is a reformer in the entire 10th parliament or even outside it? I would love to know/see who has better reform and democracy credentials!

Where and when did he ever said he would be on the ballot paper come 2012? And for that matter, where and when did he ever said he would support any of his deputies come 2012?

We are in the era of multi-party democracy and everyone is free to join a party of their choice. ODM is a mass movement political party and it has its own way of electing its torch bearers. So far it is the only party that has ever conducted free and fair presidential primaries. Next time I hope, other people will throw their hats on to the ring and we will see just how far the Rutos of this world will go.

Must the PM support Imanyara's tribunal bill for you to be a reformist? Why do you conveniently forget that NOT one but TWO similar tribunal bills were brought into parliament by government and Imanyara himself led at the front in totally opposing them? Why did he not invoke an amendment if there was a chapter or a clause he did not agree with in any of the bills? Or must a bill be moved by Imanyara for it to turn into an act?

Nandwa, please spare us this shameless hypocrisy and one sided arguments.
Ngalaka
#4 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:20:38 PM
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He never was.

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B.Timer
#5 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:48:21 PM
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Very few politicians in Kenya can avoid being a chameleon.
Raila is not one of the few.
In fact the guy practises the principles of realpolitik, - Nothing personal just business.
Dunia ni msongamano..
thuks
#6 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:51:25 PM
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he is a kenyan like you and me.
I care!
Nandwa
#7 Posted : Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38:49 AM
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If you read Mutahi Ngunyi and Abdulahi Ahmednashir you will begin to appreciate that this observation is shared by many.

Is it a case of, you can cheat some people sometimes but never all the people all the time.

http://www.mutahingunyi.com/?p=54
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
kadonye
#8 Posted : Friday, December 11, 2009 12:27:14 PM
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Leave Rao alöne.he's not the 1st nor last to be erratic.Back in 02, i believed Orengo was the best kenya can have.then the guy started making tribal slurs.In 07, he allowed himself to b rigd in the Odm primaries in ugenya by raila...some1 call me whn they find a real reformer!
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Mbalatya
#9 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:12:50 PM
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Who is a reformer? cud the author table his credentials? we cud then use him as an example wen judging others as reformers or non-reformers!! did u expect RAO to lick the boots of the rebels and beg them to stay?? I tend to think he is emerging out of this stronger than before, he seems to be the only one in ODM who wants the rebels to comeback to the fold, u seem to be blind to this fact, The politics of this country have revolved around RAO since 2002, surely the masses cant be that wrong..
A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What one can be, one must be, and same goes for a fool.
aemathenge
#10 Posted : Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:17:19 PM
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@Mbalatya you exude RAO worship, but that is my opinion. Is he a reformer? That depends on our respective understanding of the word. So I looked it up and got interesting perspectives.

re•form•er : Pronunciation: \ri-ˈfȯr-mər\: Function: noun
1: one that works for or urges reform
2 capitalized: a leader of the Protestant Reformation
3: an apparatus for cracking oils or gases to form specialized products
http://www.merriam-webst...com/dictionary/Reformer

Reform means beneficial change, or sometimes, more specifically, reversion to a pure original state. Reform is generally distinguished from revolution. The latter means basic or radical change; whereas reform may be no more than fine tuning, or at most redressing serious wrongs without altering the fundamentals of the system. Reform seeks to improve the system as it stands, never to overthrow it wholesale.

During the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, for example, the New Jersey Plan would have reformed the existing constitution, the Articles of Confederation. By contrast, the Virginia Plan proposed to completely rewrite the nation's fundamental charter, and create a new constitution. Virginia's more revolutionary approach prevailed and resulted in the U.S. Constitution. http://www.merriam-webst...com/dictionary/Reformer
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