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HOUSE VALUATION
Kwanini
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:44:00 PM
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Good people,anyone know someone 'affordable'who does valuation of property[houses].
I have met one who says the cost of valuation is based on the value of the house. [chicken and egg biznes- which came first?

Funny coz i need to est. the market value of 3br 'old' house for purpose of insurance / selling. The insurance chaps do not have any 'approved list,' like that of car valuers because the 'market is distorted' Heelp!!!

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FundamentAli
#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:55:00 PM
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What you need is someone to advice you on the cost of replacement for insurance purposes. Do not go to a valuer. Get a quantity surveyor.

However,if you need to get a value of the house with a view to sell,get a valuer.

The cost of construction (replacing) and the market value of a house are two different animals.


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Mr.Tea
#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:18:00 PM
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Where is the house and which risk are you insuring against? The cost of valuation is never prohibitive for its based on a negotiable scale. Provide me with the above info and I will be able to give you a cost range.

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Kwanini
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:36:00 PM
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Bwana Chai - Nyumba iko Kahawa but its rented. i want to insure against Fire and other 'applicable risks'. Am told for insurance one can give any 'reasonable'figure?

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Mr.Tea
#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:51:00 PM
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15k would not be too unreasonable. But its your call.....How much had you been told to cough?

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KulaRaha
#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:03:00 PM
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I also want to get a house valued for fire insurance purposes.

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Litro
#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:17:00 PM
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True guys the valuation fees are usualyy dependent on the value of the house. See the Valuers Act Cap 532.

I see the reason why you need a valuation is to either insure your house or sell it. Most insurance companies will require you to give a valuation report that has been signed by a reigstered valuer so if you go to a quantity surveyor..it will be an exercise in futility,they will still require you to go back to a valuer. Valuers and Qs's are birds of a feather just in case you didnt know.

All in all i would still advise you to seek a valuers opinion. He will and should be able to provide you with the following values if you so require. 1. Market Value 2. Mortgage Value 3. Forced Sale Value 4. Insurance Value. By doing so you will be killing two birds with one stone.

Just go to a directory and chose a valuer randomly. It might be your lucky day and by the way you can always negotiate!!


jaribu
#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:21:00 PM
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I have used pinnacle valuers before and they were quite professional and reasonably priced. I hope nothing has changed. They are located at postbank house opposite city market. Use their site just in case www.pinnaclevaluers.com but always shop around. They have also worked extensively with NHC,National Housing Cooperation.

Cheers!


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Stra
#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:19:00 PM
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Contact me at mkhenri@gmail.com. I'll definitely get you a good valuer.

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Kwanini
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:29:00 AM
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Superb advice here! Thanks everyone. Skerians are just splendid! Am now up to speed. Thanks @litro/jaribu- great advice. The ball is now at AON. The charges are not as scary as i thought once you nego. The odd thing is the cover premium is dirt cheap- far less than that of typical mutumba car,!!! God bless you all.

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FundamentAli
#11 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2009 6:37:00 AM
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Kwanin,

Cost of insurance for fire purposes is determined by a QS. If your house burns down the cost adjuster will contact a QS to see if it was firstly properly insured for the purpose. The adjuster will also use a QS to determine the cost of restoration. You could have over insure or under insured both of which allow the Insurance companies to escape without paying part or all of their liability.

When it comes to mortgages,sales,forced sale,market value,then go to a valuer.


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Tebes
#12 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2009 7:26:00 AM
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@all

Is it possible to estimate the market value of a house based on fair monthly rent value? Any rule of thumb?


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#13 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2009 7:45:00 AM
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Call NW REALITE LTD on 0202727475; 0202728778 and ask for Isaac Wirunda


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Litro
#14 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2009 9:34:00 AM
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@ Tebes

There is no rule of thumb on how you can come up with a market value for a property while relying on the market rents. Take for instance,an apartment on Ngong Road which is currently let out at an exclusive annual rent of Kshs 600,000/=. If you capitalize this rent at a rate of 10%,you get a capitalised value of Kshs 6.0 M. This same apartment is currently valued at Kshs. 10,000,000/=!! Is there any relationship between the market rent and the market value. The answer is No. While still at it,take a commercial building in the CBD that has a net annual rent of Kshs. 55,000,000/=. Likewise capitalise this at a rate of 10%. You get Kshs 550.0 M. This building is currently valued at Kshs. 550,000,000/=. Is there any relationship here? The answer is yes.

My point is,there is no rule of thumb on how you can rely on the market rents to come up with the market value.

That is why we have professionals in the real estate industry. They are best placed to explain the market dynamics.

Hope you get my point.


mukiha
#15 Posted : Friday, July 24, 2009 11:11:00 AM
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@Tebes;

I'd like to differ slightly with @Litro. I think you can ESTIMATE the MARKET value of a house from its rent. But the relationship varies from town to town.

In Nairobi,the market value of a house comes to approximately 150 times the monthly rent. Thus if the rent is 20k,the market value is about 3m. In my estate,2br house are fetching between 30k to 35k in rent and anyone wishing to sell will not discuss anything with you if don't have 5m

As for the example given by @Litro; chances are that if the house currently fetching 50k rent is sold to a new owner at 10m,the new owner would soon raise that rent to 65k.......65 x 150 = 9.75m. BTW: if I bought it,I would do exactly that!

Perhaps this explains why rents have been shooting up so often....people are buying house for speculative reasons; when the sell them,the new owners are hiking up the rent to get decent returns on investment....

It's not a rule-of-thumb,but it's a good guide...estimate

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Mr.Tea
#16 Posted : Saturday, July 25, 2009 9:53:00 AM
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Its important to understand that valuation serves a very different purpose and often times it is used to justify a position rather than arrive at it. Because of this,valuation is highly subjective and has little or no bearing on the price of a house/property.In more developed economies,the role of valuation is much more esteemed and is often used as a guide in property pricing. Having said the above,its function can never be discounted.

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supuu78
#17 Posted : Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:37:00 PM
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Hi,,

You try contacting Paragon Valuers... I've used them before after shopping around,and they were quite resonable on price. They're on Twiga Towers,3rd floor. Ask for John Ikonya on 315750/2246673,very professional dude. Good luck


Kwanini
#18 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2009 9:11:00 AM
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@fundamentali

You are bang on. For insurance 'cost of restoration to original condition,allowing for depreciation / inflation ' is the key figure. It has no bearing or relationship to market /forced sale/ morgage etc figure. Now i know. The funny thing is that insurance co. are happy when you over value .

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Mr.Tea
#19 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2009 9:20:00 AM
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@Kwanini,
Overvalue? Relative to what?

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wavidani
#20 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2009 8:45:00 PM
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My take is that when you are insuring your house,it's for it's rebuilding cost. i.e. If it was flattened,burnt to the ground etc,how much wud it cost to rebuild? This is the value to insure it for & factor in a yearly increase to account for inflation.

If you over value it,you pay more in premiums,but the ins co will only pay what it costs to rebuild.
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