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Alba
#1 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 2:40:51 AM
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People wonder why relatively speaking, tribalism does not exist in Tanzania . It is mostly because the 1st president Julius Kambarage Nyerere stridently opposed tribalism and tribal divisions.

In this first video, he describes how historically Kenyans (and Ugandans) are too tribe oriented



In this second video he describes how leaders who cannot get votes on issues, always use tribalism as a wedge to divide the people.

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Alba
#2 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 2:47:20 AM
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Also around 1961, Nyerere banned the mentioning of racial tribal or religiously divisive issues in political campaigns.
Around 1965 he went a step further and banned the use of tribal languages in campaigns. This man saw the poison that tribalism was and he refused to let it infect Tanzania.
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Ethiteri
#3 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 6:10:20 AM
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Alba wrote:
People wonder why relatively speaking, tribalism does not exist in Tanzania . It is mostly because the 1st president Julius Kambarage Nyerere stridently opposed tribalism and tribal divisions.

In this first video, he describes how historically Kenyans (and Ugandans) are too tribe oriented



In this second video he describes how leaders who cannot get votes on issues, always use tribalism as a wedge to divide the people.




I do not think we are tribal as Kenyans.Wanjiku has no issue with Onyango,Wafula,Opas.Moraa etc.It is our leaders who try to drag us there.

And not all leaders but rather Raila who thinks his problems begin and end with Kabila adui.Fron there Moses Kuria and company react and soon its tribal.

I have been to Kibra and even though we have tribal villages like Kisumu ndogo and Gatwikira the people live in harmony till Raila opens his mouth and tells them not to pay rent or such statements.

Think of your church buddies especially if you worship in the "cosmopolitan" churches like catholic,Anglican and pentecostal churches,they are not your tribesmen/women.Same to workplace and school.

Its for us to say no to being divided along our tribes.Instead let us celebrate our success in our diversity.
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masukuma
#4 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 8:12:13 AM
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I have always felt that this msg is eternal and thanks for reminding us Prof... but... uliSearch for a similar thread ukakosa?
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maka
#5 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 10:12:58 AM
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Ethiteri wrote:
Alba wrote:
People wonder why relatively speaking, tribalism does not exist in Tanzania . It is mostly because the 1st president Julius Kambarage Nyerere stridently opposed tribalism and tribal divisions.

In this first video, he describes how historically Kenyans (and Ugandans) are too tribe oriented



In this second video he describes how leaders who cannot get votes on issues, always use tribalism as a wedge to divide the people.




I do not think we are tribal as Kenyans.Wanjiku has no issue with Onyango,Wafula,Opas.Moraa etc.It is our leaders who try to drag us there.

And not all leaders but rather Raila who thinks his problems begin and end with Kabila adui.Fron there Moses Kuria and company react and soon its tribal.

I have been to Kibra and even though we have tribal villages like Kisumu ndogo and Gatwikira the people live in harmony till Raila opens his mouth and tells them not to pay rent or such statements.

Think of your church buddies especially if you worship in the "cosmopolitan" churches like catholic,Anglican and pentecostal churches,they are not your tribesmen/women.Same to workplace and school.

Its for us to say no to being divided along our tribes.Instead let us celebrate our success in our diversity.


So if Raila keeps quiet Moses Kuria will never say anything?
possunt quia posse videntur
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sitaki.kujulikana
#6 Posted : Friday, June 17, 2016 6:08:38 PM
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maka wrote:
Ethiteri wrote:
Alba wrote:
People wonder why relatively speaking, tribalism does not exist in Tanzania . It is mostly because the 1st president Julius Kambarage Nyerere stridently opposed tribalism and tribal divisions.

In this first video, he describes how historically Kenyans (and Ugandans) are too tribe oriented



In this second video he describes how leaders who cannot get votes on issues, always use tribalism as a wedge to divide the people.




I do not think we are tribal as Kenyans.Wanjiku has no issue with Onyango,Wafula,Opas.Moraa etc.It is our leaders who try to drag us there.

And not all leaders but rather Raila who thinks his problems begin and end with Kabila adui.Fron there Moses Kuria and company react and soon its tribal.

I have been to Kibra and even though we have tribal villages like Kisumu ndogo and Gatwikira the people live in harmony till Raila opens his mouth and tells them not to pay rent or such statements.

Think of your church buddies especially if you worship in the "cosmopolitan" churches like catholic,Anglican and pentecostal churches,they are not your tribesmen/women.Same to workplace and school.

Its for us to say no to being divided along our tribes.Instead let us celebrate our success in our diversity.


So if Raila keeps quiet Moses Kuria will never say anything?

Guess we will never get to know that smile
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Alba
#7 Posted : Saturday, June 18, 2016 5:06:03 PM
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Ethiteri wrote:

I do not think we are tribal as Kenyans.Wanjiku has no issue with Onyango,Wafula,Opas.Moraa etc.It is our leaders who try to drag us there.

And not all leaders but rather Raila who thinks his problems begin and end with Kabila adui.Fron there Moses Kuria and company react and soon its tribal.

I have been to Kibra and even though we have tribal villages like Kisumu ndogo and Gatwikira the people live in harmony till Raila opens his mouth and tells them not to pay rent or such statements.

Think of your church buddies especially if you worship in the "cosmopolitan" churches like catholic,Anglican and pentecostal churches,they are not your tribesmen/women.Same to workplace and school.

Its for us to say no to being divided along our tribes.Instead let us celebrate our success in our diversity.


That first sentence disqualified you from being taken seriously.
Then you went into full RAO derangement syndrome mode, blaming all Kenya's tribalism on one : RAO
And could be mistaken but I think that "Kabila adui" business strted because of the so called "historical land grievances betweem Kales and Kiuks.

By the way it is true that Wanjiku gets along with Nafula as you said. The issue Nyereere is raising is that our leaders are incapable of winning elections on issues. So they use tribe as a wedge to divide us. And around election time, Wanjiku becomes Nafula's enemy. This has been happening since 1963 before RAO was an adult
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masukuma
#8 Posted : Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:32:50 PM
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Well...
A couple of things to contribute -
1) kenya has an ethnically charged history, thats a fact
2) kenya could have handled some of these historical
3) i don't think land is a historical injustice issue. I don't think MRC is a historical injustice issue. it just makes great fodder for people during divisive elections. people like drawing a dotted line from challenges experienced by young people to some historical thing. Wasapere hawaendi mahali and Mombasa itabaki kenya.

The truth is a large majority of people will cringe when they hear moses kuria speaking coz he is an anomaly - we don't express our ethnicity that blatantly in public. our ethnicity is not explicit! we don't decide to board a bus coz it's owned by your kinsman. We don't automatically consider personal property belonging to the kinsmen as "ours". There are people out there who actually do this! I have met people from other countries who when hearing people speak the language of another ethnic group - turn... look at these talkers... and really talk nasty things about this stranger.... in plain view of the other ones. people do really hate each other. A friend told me... that he will tell his son not to trust "those people". "those people will screw you". "don't be friends with them". this is a european who has been working internationally for like 16 years.

Our ethnicity will change... slowly but will change. it's all about people growing up together. watu wa mashambani ndio wanatusumbua saa hii.
But kura ni yako... kura sio "yetu". just like chosing who to marry, the individual in question should use the metric he feels is important to measure suitability of a candidate/spouse. We just need to socialise people on what these metrics are and some will take time to instill
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tycho
#9 Posted : Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:28:40 AM
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We're probably reasoning from false analogy here. Also, the premise that ethnicity based politics isn't issue based is another fallacy.

A general trend in Africa is states will tend to follow colonial precedent in their policies. For example, cooperatives in Tanzania were colonial policy and they exerted pressure to create an ujamaa system that would put less emphasis on ethnicity.
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tycho
#10 Posted : Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:32:29 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Well...
A couple of things to contribute -
1) kenya has an ethnically charged history, thats a fact
2) kenya could have handled some of these historical
3) i don't think land is a historical injustice issue. I don't think MRC is a historical injustice issue. it just makes great fodder for people during divisive elections. people like drawing a dotted line from challenges experienced by young people to some historical thing. Wasapere hawaendi mahali and Mombasa itabaki kenya.

The truth is a large majority of people will cringe when they hear moses kuria speaking coz he is an anomaly - we don't express our ethnicity that blatantly in public. our ethnicity is not explicit! we don't decide to board a bus coz it's owned by your kinsman. We don't automatically consider personal property belonging to the kinsmen as "ours". There are people out there who actually do this! I have met people from other countries who when hearing people speak the language of another ethnic group - turn... look at these talkers... and really talk nasty things about this stranger.... in plain view of the other ones. people do really hate each other. A friend told me... that he will tell his son not to trust "those people". "those people will screw you". "don't be friends with them". this is a european who has been working internationally for like 16 years.

Our ethnicity will change... slowly but will change. it's all about people growing up together. watu wa mashambani ndio wanatusumbua saa hii.
But kura ni yako... kura sio "yetu". just like chosing who to marry, the individual in question should use the metric he feels is important to measure suitability of a candidate/spouse. We just need to socialise people on what these metrics are and some will take time to instill


I wish you could use the numbers you seem to be so obsessed about here.
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