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businesspundit
#1 Posted : Monday, November 30, 2015 8:24:33 PM
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Hello, Can someone provide some insights to this story:

Auditors on the frying pan after ‘cooking’ of books at Uchumi

If Auditors are cooking the books, and you base your decisions on these auditor's results (to buy/sell a stock or not), how can you be sure you made the correct decision since it could all be fake?

Wasn't this what happened with Enron or recently DECI or quail birds? Over-promising, over-reporting and financial wizardry?
If we say corruption is a cancer, and it has spread to the churches, schools e.t.c, why not auditing companies?
sparkly
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:06:21 AM
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Auditors do not prepare books. They are watchdogs not bloodhoods.

C&P from isaca.org....

More than 100 years have elapsed since the Court of Appeal in England delivered a landmark judgment in the Kingston Cotton Mills case.

The facts were reasonably simple and not contended by the parties. The company's managing director, who subsequently confessed the frauds he committed, had falsified its accounts.

In particular, the quantities and value of the company's stock had been falsified for many years but there was nothing on the face of the accounts to excite suspicion. It was suggested to the court that the auditor should not have relied solely on the representation of the managing director and should have further investigated the matter.

In a unanimous judgment, the three Lord Justices reversed the decision of the lower court and found in favor of the auditor:


"It is the duty of an auditor to bring to bear on the work he has to perform that skill, care, and caution which a reasonably competent, careful, and cautious auditor would use.
An auditor is not bound to be a detective, or, as was said, to approach his work with suspicion, or with a foregone conclusion that there is something wrong. He is a watchdog, but not a bloodhound.
Auditors must not be made liable for not tracking out ingenious and carefully laid schemes of fraud, when there is nothing to arouse their suspicion ...So to hold would make the position of an auditor intolerable."

—Lord Justice Lopes

Regarding Kingston Cotton Mills (1896) 1
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Angelica _ann
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:33:52 AM
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So at what point would auditors be liable or their work is cosmetic?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:03:08 AM
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Any auditors in the house,please justify your work
Gathige
#5 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:22:53 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
So at what point would auditors be liable or their work is cosmetic?



The responsibility of preparing books of accounts lies with the management. Auditors only express an opinion based on a sampled check of the resultant financial statements. An auditor can be liable for professional misconduct in the course of an audit eg failure to comply with financial standards in the conduct of an audit or a failure to maintain proper working papers documenting the process taken in conducting an audit exercise.

In most instances, the management is hell bent to cover fraud which is hard to detect as a transaction is initiated with an intent to fraud. In rare instances would an auditor be complicit in the fraud scheme.
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businesspundit
#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:19:46 AM
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So what is the work of the auditor? To rubber-stamp results and then to change the headline of company's colorful financial statement from "Unaudited results" to "Audited results"? Even me with no accounting, I can do that with MS Word. Just tell me where to rubber stamp and I will charge only half price.
Lolest!
#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:42:49 AM
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businesspundit wrote:
So what is the work of the auditor? To rubber-stamp results and then to change the headline of company's colorful financial statement from "Unaudited results" to "Audited results"? Even me with no accounting, I can do that with MS Word. Just tell me where to rubber stamp and I will charge only half price.

You'd have to do a forensic audit if you treat board and management as suspects
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mkenyan
#8 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:11:23 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
businesspundit wrote:
So what is the work of the auditor? To rubber-stamp results and then to change the headline of company's colorful financial statement from "Unaudited results" to "Audited results"? Even me with no accounting, I can do that with MS Word. Just tell me where to rubber stamp and I will charge only half price.

You'd have to do a forensic audit if you treat board and management as suspects

seems like in kenya we then need both 'audited returns' and 'forensic-audited returns'.
Cde Monomotapa
#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:17:04 AM
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Yup, Public Service will soon become a calling. HBP central.

Big shift as law requires firms to publish details of CEOs pay http://www.businessdaily...8/-/drfa7yz/-/index.html
Cde Monomotapa
#10 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2015 1:43:44 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
businesspundit wrote:
So what is the work of the auditor? To rubber-stamp results and then to change the headline of company's colorful financial statement from "Unaudited results" to "Audited results"? Even me with no accounting, I can do that with MS Word. Just tell me where to rubber stamp and I will charge only half price.

You'd have to do a forensic audit if you treat board and management as suspects

seems like in kenya we then need both 'audited returns' and 'forensic-audited returns'.


Britam are hiring:
Forensic Auditor
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Job Purpose: Proactively preventing, detecting and investigating frauds for the Group
- See more at: http://careers.britam.co...25#sthash.Ccokvfui.dpuf
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