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security matters-kenya's disastrous move from extreme right to extreme left
Jangwa la Jangili
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:40:43 AM
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in moi's and kenyatta's tenure, the country was a police state in all but name. baba moi squeezed kenyans balls so hard that when they finally toppled him, they shunned anything they associated with him. yote yawezekana bila moi. so started a relentless drive to reform the security system. starting in the early years of kibaki's tenure police noticeably started to soften. we dismantled the massive surveillance networks of the special branch.

ngos and human rights organisations churned report after report detailing police excesses and calling on cops to adhere to international law, respect human rights etc. by the passing of the constitution, we worked up to a frenzy to ensure 'checks and balances' over police actions and nis. so came ipoa, npsc and we made nis officers a bunch of passive ipad holders. by uhuru's tenure, police and armed forces are barely recognizable from 15 years ago.

today, we have a pussyfooting group of cops and even soldiers. the once dreaded gsu are not spared either with some of them killed in tana river while holding their guns. those cops were so conditioned on human rights sensitivities that they saw their weapons as beauty accessories.

we have traffic cops being beaten senseless by drivers. we have cops mowed by bandits in baragoi and the response is little more than a gentle tap on the arm. these were matters unheard of. in the past, you killed cops that brazenly and it will rain fire and brimstone on the motherflowers for the rest of their short lives.

the other day on tv, they showed soldiers being trained how to swim. apparently, some soldiers drowned during kdf's amphibious landing at kismayu. never mind that the fool, who is supposed to be a mid-level military office, admitted such tragic failure on national tv (again a result of extreme leftist policy of 'opening the military to the public')

imagine that. we have soldiers in kdf who either cannot swim or have not been trained to swim with their combat gear. to make matters worse, this officer opined that before commencing training, they ask the soldiers beforehand so those who do not want to participate can be excused from that particular training. in the words of a great philosopher, "what the actual f***?". this is the military not the red cross!

the training itself looked lethargic. no energy at all and the trainer was basically mbembelezaing them. i suspect those soldiers may be relatives wa wakubwa.

kenya has moved from the ball-squeezing extreme right of moi's era to the crowd-pleasing extreme left today. kenya is now the region's favorite playground for al shabaab while ethiopia which also has a large somali population and has been more aggressive than kenya in somalia is yet to experience a single attack.

kenya naively swallowed the extreme leftist model and is now more european than europeans and more american than americans. to its detriment. we over-reformed.
Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.
Rahatupu
#2 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:03:50 AM
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Jangwa la Jangili wrote:
in moi's and kenyatta's tenure, the country was a police state in all but name. baba moi squeezed kenyans balls so hard that when they finally toppled him, they shunned anything they associated with him. yote yawezekana bila moi. so started a relentless drive to reform the security system. starting in the early years of kibaki's tenure police noticeably started to soften. we dismantled the massive surveillance networks of the special branch.

ngos and human rights organisations churned report after report detailing police excesses and calling on cops to adhere to international law, respect human rights etc. by the passing of the constitution, we worked up to a frenzy to ensure 'checks and balances' over police actions and nis. so came ipoa, npsc and we made nis officers a bunch of passive ipad holders. by uhuru's tenure, police and armed forces are barely recognizable from 15 years ago.

today, we have a pussyfooting group of cops and even soldiers. the once dreaded gsu are not spared either with some of them killed in tana river while holding their guns. those cops were so conditioned on human rights sensitivities that they saw their weapons as beauty accessories.

we have traffic cops being beaten senseless by drivers. we have cops mowed by bandits in baragoi and the response is little more than a gentle tap on the arm. these were matters unheard of. in the past, you killed cops that brazenly and it will rain fire and brimstone on the motherflowers for the rest of their short lives.

the other day on tv, they showed soldiers being trained how to swim. apparently, some soldiers drowned during kdf's amphibious landing at kismayu. never mind that the fool, who is supposed to be a mid-level military office, admitted such tragic failure on national tv (again a result of extreme leftist policy of 'opening the military to the public')

imagine that. we have soldiers in kdf who either cannot swim or have not been trained to swim with their combat gear. to make matters worse, this officer opined that before commencing training, they ask the soldiers beforehand so those who do not want to participate can be excused from that particular training. in the words of a great philosopher, "what the actual f***?". this is the military not the red cross!

the training itself looked lethargic. no energy at all and the trainer was basically mbembelezaing them. i suspect those soldiers may be relatives wa wakubwa.

kenya has moved from the ball-squeezing extreme right of moi's era to the crowd-pleasing extreme left today. kenya is now the region's favorite playground for al shabaab while ethiopia which also has a large somali population and has been more aggressive than kenya in somalia is yet to experience a single attack.

kenya naively swallowed the extreme leftist model and is now more european than europeans and more american than americans. to its detriment. we over-reformed.
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@Jangwa, I concur in all but your use "leftist model" to imply leftist political ideology or inclination.

On matters security, if you recall the noise that greeted inclusion of "national security" in the constitution you'll appreciate the mess that the drafters (NGO lobbyists and their ilk) had in mind. Basically reactionary (which is more rightist than leftist) is what a keen eye sees in the new constitution.

The sbranch is today a holiday resort for children of who is who in our country, they don't do "dirty work" no more. Worse they are forbidden from executive mandates - they relay "info" to the respective agencies only.
kysse
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:04:37 AM
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If KDF pulls out of Somalia,because the citizens there seem ireedemable,then we push those camps into Somalia and let the NGO's find ways of dealing with the refugee menace in Somalia at the expense of getting kidnapped, then proceed to kick them out of Kenya,what would happen to us? shrink?

Like seriously, why the heck are we even helping a people who don't want it? The women/men who were under oppressive sharia laws in Somalia are the same ones cursing our government in our own country.

Murderers who kill their host.

If the cops can't do it,We shall offer escort in broad daylight.
butterflyke
#4 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:18:47 AM
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i doubt that our cops are conditioned on human rights sensitivities....what they are conditioned is make to a quick and good buck so much so that a cop refusing a bribe becomes breaking news...

we are definitely not over-reformed - far from it - a very sorry state of (in)security
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
josimar
#5 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:26:43 AM
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We have gotten where we are because of corruption and lack of integrity.
Robinhood
#6 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:41:27 AM
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The sickest thing was that ka change in the law that banned intelligence guys from carrying guns. How do you deal with international thugs like sababu without real firepower?
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
Mrisho
#7 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:20:00 PM
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kysse wrote:
If KDF pulls out of Somalia,because the citizens there seem ireedemable,then we push those camps into Somalia and let the NGO's find ways of dealing with the refugee menace in Somalia at the expense of getting kidnapped, then proceed to kick them out of Kenya,what would happen to us? shrink?

Like seriously, why the heck are we even helping a people who don't want it? The women/men who were under oppressive sharia laws in Somalia are the same ones cursing our government in our own country.

Murderers who kill their host.

If the cops can't do it,We shall offer escort in broad daylight.

You speak for all of us.
Thats how we feel.

Mjasirii
#8 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:37:52 PM
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Kenyans should learn security starts with them,we have sold our nation for mere shillings.It does not matter how safe you feel now soon or later the insecurity in Kenya will affect you directly or indirectly.
If we have not fired and prosecuted the guys in immigration or the guys manning the border insecurity will continue get ready for worse times.
tycho
#9 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:44:10 PM
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It's not about firing, it's about transforming. First each of us here must transform, but transform to what? What are we now?

We are politically naive. For example, some of us here do not understand how what's happening in countries geographically and even culturally distant, now, is affecting us directly, here and now, and even to eternity. We are mostly engrossed with nationalism, and religion and we've forgotten that we are all of the human species. Interestingly, even when prophets like Nietzsche were writing, and asking humans to reconsider the questions of origin (and end of the human species), most Africans had no clue as to what was happening in the world of human ideas. Things were, and are moving fast. By themselves.

Now we wish to pretend that the 'terrorists' have no ideas, or that their ideas can be cut by brute force. Or through honesty, and truthfulness and strictness. But any idea can put claim to these virtues, and to different effect. And even be the cause of wars.

It's about politics for humans on a global scale, starting from the 'grass roots'. A fair division problem.

Dignity, space for excellence of ideas, resources, freedom, are at stake. And there are so many of us who've been unfairly cut. Or who perceive themselves to be unfairly cut. This is the tie that binds the terrorist to the corrupt official who is you, and me.

Only transformation will help here.




Rankaz13
#10 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:12:24 PM
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Mjasirii wrote:
Kenyans should learn security starts with them,we have sold our nation for mere shillings.It does not matter how safe you feel now soon or later the insecurity in Kenya will affect you directly or indirectly.
If we have not fired and prosecuted the guys in immigration or the guys manning the border insecurity will continue get ready for worse times.


Spot on. While we're busy arresting aliens and illegal immigrants, no one is questioning how they came here and even acquired 'genuine' papers.
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