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ICC CASES GONE SHREDDED
murchr
#1 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:41:20 PM
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ICC Judge withdraws from cases facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Deputy William Ruto questioning the prosecution's conduct.

Belgium Judge has withdrawn from cases facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Deputy William Ruto at the International Criminal Court

The countdown begins


http://www.standardmedia...ws-from-Uhuru,-Ruto-case
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma
#2 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:53:37 PM
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murchr, unless you hear those judges say something like you can go home mr. kinyaita, i think its a good idea to chill a bit.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
murchr
#3 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:10:33 PM
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alma wrote:
murchr, unless you hear those judges say something like you can go home mr. kinyaita, i think its a good idea to chill a bit.


Comeon Alma, this says alot about the credibility of Ocampos work. No one wants to be associated with this shoddy work. Am watching as the cookie crumbles
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#4 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:18:03 PM
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I have always said - OCAMPO MESSED UP! He did NO INVESTIGATION and acted like a superstar - he has moved on to the next case and has left Bensouda with a case that will blow up on her face.... Pole sana Bensouda... pole sana.
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Njung'e
#5 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:35:23 PM
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Wah!
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xyzee
#6 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:36:03 PM
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at this rate even the court clerks will withdraw their services.
washiku
#7 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:43:33 PM
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Sasa when a whole ICC judge withdraws from a case and accuse you of shoddy investigation, si hiyo ni aibu kubwa kwako?
radio
#8 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:53:06 PM
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“In fact I believe that the facts show that the
prosecution had not complied with the
obligation under article 54 (1) (a) at the time
when it sought confirmation and that it was
still not even remotely ready when the
proceedings before this Chamber started.”
digitek1
#9 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:01:49 PM
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Bensöda has signed a how to loose a case for dummies book deal Laughing out loudly
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mpobiz
#10 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:29:37 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
No skype govt afterall
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masukuma
#11 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:30:28 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
Bensöda has signed a how to loose a case for dummies book deal Laughing out loudly

its not her fault... they ruined the case then gave a black woman the same so that it could blow up on her face and then sigh... "oh Africans... they can't do anything right!"... IT'S OCAMPO'S FAULT!!
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mpobiz
#12 Posted : Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:31:32 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
No skype govt afterall
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
story teller
#13 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:28:16 AM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr, unless you hear those judges say something like you can go home mr. kinyaita, i think its a good idea to chill a bit.


Comeon Alma, this says alot about the credibility of Ocampos work. No one wants to be associated with this shoddy work. Am watching as the cookie crumbles


Am sorry but their evidence is based purely on coached witnesses by KNHR commission aka Hassan and the glorified professor from the great state of new York, makau mutua..this case ain't going nowhere..the cookie crumbles..
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McReggae
#14 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:18:02 AM
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Nobody was killed, robbed or raped reallly.....no case!!!!!
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murchr
#15 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:02:09 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Nobody was killed, robbed or raped reallly.....no case!!!!!


Its not a question of if it happened but are the people before the court responsible? Did the prosecutor present that?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#16 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:19:22 AM
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murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Nobody was killed, robbed or raped reallly.....no case!!!!!


Its not a question of if it happened but are the people before the court responsible? Did the prosecutor present that?


Is there a person who can ever produce the real culprits? I can assure you that such a person doesn't exist, at least if the Citizen who was watching these events from home is excluded, and the political system is left out of consideration.

We maybe trapping ourselves.
callaspade
#17 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:26:56 AM
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murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Nobody was killed, robbed or raped reallly.....no case!!!!!


Its not a question of if it happened but are the people before the court responsible? Did the prosecutor present that?


.....maina wa kiai,Hassan Omar et al did a shoddy job for their many master(s)
...waki then used the report and handed it to coffee. Kofi then sifted through and read us some chapters ignoring some.ocampo then followed suit and used all this as "evidence" to prosecute.
Who in your open view let down the victims?
MaichBlack
#18 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:06:36 AM
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murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Nobody was killed, robbed or raped reallly.....no case!!!!!


Its not a question of if it happened but are the people before the court responsible? Did the prosecutor present that?

McReggae has been a very respected member of this forum but he is slowly loosing that respect with his pedestrian arguments. I used to love reading his posts because he is evidently an intelligent individual. Nowadays I read some of his posts and I can't help but suspect that his account has been hacked because the reasoning is way below his reasoning [or any wazuan for that matter!]

Take the post quoted here for example. What kind of reasoning is this? Seriously!!! Simple example: Two men are robbed and murdered and because "someone" has to be answerable the police arrest me and when I plead my innocence they ask me "Are you trying to tell us the two men were not robbed and murdered?". Who reasons like that? [Apart from McReggae?]

My brother McDoba, please change! Can the real McDoba please stand up! Granted. You are not the only one who has replaced their intellectual garb with one that is way beneath you due to the political atmosphere that had engulfed the country in the recent past. That was unfortunate but it was my hope that after the electioneering period, the great minds [which should never have 'left' in the first place] would be back! I'm getting disappointed!

Remember, your brain is a terrible thing to waste!!!
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Impunity
#19 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:05:02 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Nobody was killed, robbed or raped reallly.....no case!!!!!


Its not a question of if it happened but are the people before the court responsible? Did the prosecutor present that?

McReggae has been a very respected member of this forum but he is slowly loosing that respect with his pedestrian arguments. I used to love reading his posts because he is evidently an intelligent individual. Nowadays I read some of his posts and I can't help but suspect that his account has been hacked because the reasoning is way below his reasoning [or any wazuan for that matter!]

Take the post quoted here for example. What kind of reasoning is this? Seriously!!! Simple example: Two men are robbed and murdered and because "someone" has to be answerable the police arrest me and when I plead my innocence they ask me "Are you trying to tell us the two men were not robbed and murdered?". Who reasons like that? [Apart from McReggae?]

My brother McDoba, please change! Can the real McDoba please stand up! Granted. You are not the only one who has replaced their intellectual garb with one that is way beneath you due to the political atmosphere that had engulfed the country in the recent past. That was unfortunate but it was my hope that after the electioneering period, the great minds [which should never have 'left' in the first place] would be back! I'm getting disappointed!

Remember, your brain is a terrible thing to waste!!!


Mmm...The Jubilee gaament has to be protected at all cost even with those purporting to have brains.
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alma
#20 Posted : Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:51:01 AM
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What irks me in this ICC issue is not the fact that the cases may or may not be rock solid cases but the behaviour of the people in the gallery.

I find it strange that gallery members are very quick to post that 1 judge has left a case, but forget to mention that the case is still on course as it seems 3 other judges are still in the case.

We have gallery members treating this issue as if it is a soccer match. To see who scores more goals than the other.

Others have taken the suspects to be their personal mascots. If the mascot suffers they suffer. Just like a football hooligan syndrome.

There is nothing to be proud about if this case doesn't go to its full conclusion. Which includes total vindication of the suspects.

But having an online cheering squad is not something to be proud about unless these people are your paymasters or your brothers or partners in crime.

For as long as I don't see people at the law courts of Nairobi cheering for or against a suspect in the court room, I will think the above.

Even if you support the honourable suspects, there is a need to be conscious of the fact that a lot of people lost their lives in that nonsense. You should empathise and temper your support to consider the person who lost their husband, child and other family members in this issue.

The genuine supporter is one who will agree that even if this case says that these people are innocent, there needs to be someone answerable to what happened to innocent Kenyans.

Some say that some other 2 people were involved. But somehow refuse to explain why these other two don't face the law.

The rallying call in Kenya now is MOVE ON.

Unfortunately, only banana republics refuse to ensure justice to their members. Only the Kingdom of Zamunda moves on.

That is my view.

But I don't expect much.

This is the country that has trained social media youth wingers, elect MP's who's first job is to increase their own salaries, then cheers as possible witnesses start disappearing one after another.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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