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kamundu
#1 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 6:27:06 PM
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Threats Of Sanctions Over Uhuru Presidency Are Real

Threats Of Sanctions Over Uhuru Presidency Are Real


TUESDAY, JANUARY 29, 2013 - 00:00 -- BY HASSAN OLE NAADO

The head of media relations at Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta’s presidential campaign, Macharia Murigi, wrote a thought-provoking opinion piece recently in one of the daily newspapers under the headline; Prophets of Doom: “The West can’t afford to sanction Kenya.”

The gist of Mr Murigi’s argument is that Western economic powers, notably America and Britain, no longer have the necessary weight to throw around to cajole developing countries into toeing the line as far as certain geopolitical issues are concerned.

The balance of power, Murigi argues, has shifted eastwards where countries like China are now calling the shots, thus affording poor countries new developing partners. In this regard, Murigi goes ahead to say that Kenyans have nothing to fear if they elected Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto at the forthcoming polls.

If Western powers feel they cannot work with Kenya because these two leaders are facing crimes against humanity charges at the ICC, Kenya could as well work with other countries like China and still remain afloat economically.

A number of Western diplomats have warned that, in the interest of democracy and good governance, there will be severe consequences should Uhuru and Ruto be elected while they still face trial at the ICC.

According to these diplomats, the values espoused by their societies do not permit their governments to associate with countries whose leaders are accused of such crimes.

Although the Western diplomats have not specified the severe consequences Kenya could face, Murigi speculates that their governments will slap Kenya with economic sanctions as punishment for electing Uhuru and Ruto.

But the author still thinks that Western governments cannot afford to go the sanctions way because the recent economic meltdown they suffered left them so disparate that they cannot risk imposing sanctions on Kenya because that would hurt their investments in the country.

Therefore, Murigi argues that Western countries need Kenya more than Kenya needs them—they will just have to accept a Uhuru/Ruto presidency come-what-may.

But this argument, persuasive as it may appear on face value, is naïve, simplistic and misleading. By arguing that Kenya can simply turn to China if Western countries refuse to do business with it, Murigi seems not to know how international commerce operates.

First and foremost, he seems to forget that China’s international trade heavily relies on American and European Union financial institutions. For example, even if Kenya were to trade with China, they would need U.S. dollars in order to complete transactions.

Despite its robust economy, China does not trade with other countries using its local currency, the Yuan— it trades in American dollars and that is why Beijing has the largest dollar reserves in the world today.

But even with this massive dollar reserves, China always prays that Western financial markets remain stable because the value of their dollar reserves depends on them.

In any case, if shunning the West by shifting to China was a reliable and better option for any developing country, then Zimbabwe’s economy would not be in shambles. Mugabe’s regime thought it could depend on China after it was slapped with sanctions.

But the China option has not helped Zimbabwe in any way because the sanctions have limited its capacity to access the dollar.

Iran, which is the fourth-largest producer and exporter of petroleum and the brainchild of OPEC, is today feeling the pinch of economic sanctions slapped on them by Western powers.

Despite over 80 percent of Iran’s international trade being with Asian powerhouses like India and China, the country is today crippled because it cannot access payments made for its petroleum exports.

Why? — Because those payments, whether made by China or India, must be in U.S. dollars, and must be wired through international banking institutions owned by Western countries.

Hence, if Western countries slapped sanctions on Kenya, it would include sanctions on the country’s ability to access dollars— meaning that even trade with China or any other alternative development partner would not be possible.

Above all, Murigi must be assumed to know that despite the robust status of the Chinese and Indian economies, these countries cannot give Kenya everything. For example, despite their economic might, Chinese airlines themselves still fly the Boeings and Airbuses of this world.

If sanctions were slapped on Kenya, the national career, Kenya Airways, cannot pretend that it would go to China or India to buy aircraft or spare parts for their fleet.

For these reasons, Kenyans must not be misled by Murigi’s article about what options they have if Uhuru and Ruto are elected. The threat by Western powers must be taken seriously and should not be underestimated by short-sighted analysts.

Be that as it may, Murigi’s argument has also attempted to portray China as a country that does not recognize the authority of the ICC, and that’s why he thinks that Beijing will continue working with a Uhuru/Ruto government, the ICC charges notwithstanding.

But this is a very erroneous perception of China. It is important to know that despite not being a signatory to the Rome Statute, which established the ICC, China, like the United States, has been very supportive of the ICC.

Several high-ranking officials of the Chinese government visited The Hague last year where they held fruitful discussions with the President of the Court and reaffirmed Beijing’s respect for the Court’s authority. In this regard, Kenyans should not be misled into thinking that China will tolerate a leadership in Kenya that defies the ICC.

Many Kenyans have been misled into thinking that the new road infrastructures like Thika Superhighway are Chinese goodies to Kenya. But it is important for Kenyans to know that construction of Thika Superhighway was largely funded by the African Development Bank, not the Chinese government.

Shareholders of the African Development Bank are largely American, European and Middle East investors. The design of the superhighway was done by an Indian company while Chinese companies won the tender to do the construction.

The reason Chinese companies were awarded the tender is not only because they are capable, but also because the leadership in Beijing has committed itself to respect and espouse the values of the international community on good governance, integrity and respect for rule of law.

In this regard, Kenyans should not be misled into thinking that they can just elect Uhuru and Ruto and get away with it— then expect to be embraced by China, India or Indonesia as an alternative to Western economic support.

 

The writer is the Deputy Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims and Secretary General of the Muslim Leaders Forum.

 
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kamundu
#2 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 6:30:32 PM
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Me totally agrees
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Amores
#3 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 6:35:36 PM
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kamundu wrote:
Me totally agrees



So this is the COARDeshian plat form?

Sanction and land?

Its the year of Jubilee!
I am happy
josiah33
#4 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 6:39:05 PM
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Hmmmmmh!
kamundu
#5 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 6:45:27 PM
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Amores wrote:
kamundu wrote:
Me totally agrees



So this is the COARDeshian plat form?

Sanction and land?

Its the year of Jubilee!


No this is the realistic platform! Non partisan
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MADE
#6 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 6:52:29 PM
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kamundu wrote:
Me totally agrees

Two weeks ago, the Netherlands banned Miraa imports from Kenya. What did Uhuru do? He begged the Netherlands to reconsider the ban and open business with Kenya miraa traders. Why did he NOT offer to approach China to teach the Chinese how to consume miraa as a new frontier for our miraa? Call it hypocrisy soon hitting a dead end !
Truth be told: We are living in the era of globalization, all African and Asian countries including Pakistan (largest importer of Kenya tea) depend on USA in one way or another. Sanctions on Kenya means all allies of USA and Europe will be advised (read ordered) NOT to trade with Kenya. It will not be business as usual.
Points To Remember:
• That if the economy collapses all Kenyans will be affected. Our economy is yet to fully recover from the effects of 2008 PEV. Another shock on the economy will send the cost of living beyond the reach of wananchi. Mind you, the price of bread, Unga, kerosene is the same in Nyeri, Siaya, Garisa, Eldoret and any other town/village in Kenya. All Kenyans will be affected whether Kikuyu, Luo, Kalenjin, Kamba, Ogiek, Somali et el.
• That Zimbabwe’s economy was doing fairly well like Kenya before sanctions were slapped on them, it’s been pain since then. With sanctions, inflation hit the skies as local currency went to the dogs.
• That even with the help of China, South Africa and other African countries, Zimbabwe has NOT and will not recover until Europe and USA lift sanctions to allow more foreign direct investment (FDI) into the country.
• That China is keen on flooding our economy with cheap Chinese labour. China cares more about the Chinese citizens than Kenyans. It is called national self-interest.
• That Kenya receives billions in aid for Malaria, AIDS, TB control from Europe and USA. If such aid is stopped, thousands of poor folks will die and reverse all gains so far made.
• That your closest relative is a neighbour who may not necessarily be your tribe.
Kenyans are slowly but surely realizing what is at stake, and the Jubilee duo are now spending sleepless nights to shift debate from these critical issues, and keep the masses under the tribal spell. Vote wisely!

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Amores
#7 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:00:33 PM
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If UHURUTO win based on a free and fair election, why would the west slap us with sanctions ? Isn't free and fair election,one man one vote,part of a democracy?
I do not get these 'powers' sometimes.

By the way,US might be too busy sortng out the Libya Egypt mess ( after supporting them to overthrow governments,in the name democrac-the same democracy that they do not want us to exercise - ) that slapping us with sanctions might not be the priority.
I am happy
kamundu
#8 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:04:25 PM
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Amores wrote:
If UHURUTO win based on a free and fair election, why would the west slap us with sanctions ? Isn't free and fair election,one man one vote,part of a democracy?
I do not get these 'powers' sometimes.

By the way,US might be too busy sortng out the Libya Egypt mess ( after supporting them to overthrow governments,in the name democrac-the same democracy that they do not want us to exercise - ) that slapping us with sanctions might not be the priority.


They dont care whether its free or fair. They dont want UHURUTO
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kamundu
#9 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:07:10 PM
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Im from central, but I wish andu a nyumba would see this. The middle class will have the most to loose. If Jubilee wins fuel might just be 1k pap. Then we will have a 1000 trillion note!
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#10 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:07:29 PM
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Very sad that our options are either possible painful sanctions or possible socialist-serikali italipa fare hatulipi.
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kamundu
#11 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:10:21 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Very sad that our options are either possible painful sanctions or possible socialist-serikali italipa fare hatulipi.


Kuna PK, kiyapi, Karua, abdi etc
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Amores
#12 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:27:32 PM
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@ kamundu,what is your vested interest here? umepost na sasa ni kuchangia tu kwa hii thread? Too many post from you on this one,wachana nayo !
Kura nikwa Jubilee!
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Buster
#13 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:29:50 PM
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As much as I am not jubilee, I don't think there will be any sanctions should jubilee win. The sanctions will only come in if Uhuruto decide not to honour the ICC summons.
josiah33
#14 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:30:11 PM
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kamundu wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Very sad that our options are either possible painful sanctions or possible socialist-serikali italipa fare hatulipi.


Kuna PK, kiyapi, Karua, abdi etc

Problem is that the masses are gravitating towards this two options alone. Those are our choices now.
Kratos
#15 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38:25 PM
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Which sanctions are you guys talking about? Please provide evidence to support such claims otherwise what you're alluding to is rumour mongering.

Generally speaking, a fact is something that has actually happened or that is empirically true and can be supported by evidence. An opinion is a belief; it is normally subjective, meaning that it can vary based on a person's perspective, emotions, or individual understanding of something.
According to most definitions, something is a fact if it matches objective reality. For something to be objective, it must be outside of the mind and not be based on feelings or biases. This is the opposite of an opinion, which is what an individual thinks or feels about a subject.


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#16 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40:02 PM
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.....and you a person whose sole income is from a multinational who might close shop in case of an Uhuruto still not seeing the bigger picture here....
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#17 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 7:59:51 PM
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'Vote Rao vote .zimbabwe style land reforms'..you can bet that is the message western. envoys are reporting back to their capitals for sure, who do.you think they want to win, someone who has confirmed his intentions to for zimbabwéen style land reforms or someone who has been set-up (remember infotrak sister 'florence' chairperson at kenya human rights who created the lies) by a communist leaning bafoon(by accounts of a canadian.trained legal authority-miguna miguna) and is cooperating. Little wonder obama kid bro is fighting odomo!
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#18 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 8:26:08 PM
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Aha! so the travel bans we have been receiving quartely is coz Uhuru is in statehouse? Too bad the other alternative is having Maina Njenga as Cabinet secretary for Security...
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#19 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 8:51:46 PM
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I for one don't want UHURUTO to lead us not because of the sanctions that we might face but more so because it is simply wrong for someone facing the type of crimes they are accused of to lead me.

However should they win, I will move on and hope there are no sanctions imposed on our country. The personal lose I forsee with sanctions is much greater than a criminal for a president so I would rather the later.

I will also resent the west very much for their hypocrisy as they need to come out in very categorical terms now and advise kenyans that a vote for UHURUTO is a vote for sanctions.

Thats why my recommendations to avoid the whole scenario is to go for a CORD or PK gava (if u are more afraid of RAO than sanctions).
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#20 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 11:23:57 PM
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