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two vernacular stations in trouble over hate speech
vinii
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:17:13 PM
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Its in the news - PS Ndemo says that arrests will be made in the next few days. Some blogs, the Mashada type are also in trouble
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:29:23 PM
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vinii wrote:
Some blogs, the Mashada type are also in trouble
...and wazua will be in trouble too as @admin encourages bigots like @guru267 to insult Kenyans with an opinion contrary to theirs.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:32:26 PM
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alma
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:34:15 PM
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For the sake of understanding lets get some terms clear. There are

1. Blogs
2. Forums
3. Comments

Blogs are for example, iddsalim.com, techmtaa.com etc
Forums are mashada, wazua etc
Comments are those replies by people other than the managers or owners of blogs or websites

There is a case in France on Twitter as we speak. I wonder if those who want to gag the internet are following it.

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:44:42 PM
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Shame on you wapi rink?
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nakujua
#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:34:44 PM
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if you go for the other sites, then they will have to go after facebook for allowing the offensive pages to exist, the internet is a murky place for the government's involvement.
vinii
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:20:42 PM
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radio stations pose the greatest danger - some firm action by the govt at this early stage will certainly be useful...
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Lolest!
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:23:37 PM
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Prof Makau Mutua censored! And some here think attacking UMK is cool/progressive and that it matters less what they say after that. Kenyanlist, mashada, and the fb pages Gor is a lifestyle, Stop Uhuru and Stop Raila and Kalonzo.
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aemathenge
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:24:11 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
bigots like @guru267 to insult Kenyans with an opinion contrary to theirs.


Beware of the sanctimonious when they make laws. Scratch a moralist, and you will find a hypocrite.” - William Shakespeare, Measure for Measure.

Every time you post such a whine, her point gets underlined in Citizens' minds.

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dunkang
#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:01:50 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Prof Makau Mutua censored!Kenyanlist, mashada.


Our @Alustaadh survives in Wazua.
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Lolest!
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:09:01 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
bigots like @guru267 to insult Kenyans with an opinion contrary to theirs.


Beware of the sanctimonious when they make laws. Scratch a moralist, and you will find a hypocrite.” - William Shakespeare, Measure for Measure.

Every time you post such a whine, her point gets underlined in Citizens' minds.

Swallow razorblades

Nimemeza. Si zinataste vizuri?smile. The reason I do not do kenyanlist or mashada is the bigotry and juvenile attitudes there. But you are right, maybe I should get used to mashada behaviour here.
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harrydre
#12 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:10:34 AM
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what about one robert onyango alai? he is one notorious hate blogger
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githundi
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:52:13 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Prof Makau Mutua censored! And some here think attacking UMK is cool/progressive and that it matters less what they say after that. Kenyanlist, mashada, and the fb pages Gor is a lifestyle, Stop Uhuru and Stop Raila and Kalonzo.

i hail Ndemo, if we had more kenyans like him.....
On another note, i think the admin did not want to step on @guru 2670 toes, if it was any other newfarer, we could be talking of something else. There is no difference between Alustadhs comments and @ guru 267, talk of double standards.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:17:55 AM
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githundi wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Prof Makau Mutua censored! And some here think attacking UMK is cool/progressive and that it matters less what they say after that. Kenyanlist, mashada, and the fb pages Gor is a lifestyle, Stop Uhuru and Stop Raila and Kalonzo.

i hail Ndemo, if we had more kenyans like him.....
On another note, i think the admin did not want to step on @guru 2670 toes, if it was any other newfarer, we could be talking of something else. There is no difference between Alustadhs comments and @ guru 267, talk of double standards.

Admin is not blameless in all this - she has worn those ODM coloured specs i have been talking about and thus she cannot see what you guys are complaining about... if you want to see her move, just use @guru2670's signature with Raila and Kaloser....
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#15 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:47:48 AM
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harrydre wrote:
what about one robert onyango alai? he is one notorious hate blogger


And he doesn't even use pseudonyms or hide in a New York Mansion, he must be sure that he has facts.

But this Ndemo guy is very sober, he has made 2 commenters i truely hate disappear for the last 3 days. @Omutsanis and @Mohanmathews
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alma
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:56:00 AM
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Stop celebrating anything about bloggers. Ndemo and the CCK have again shown how uninformed they are about the internet and internet law.

In order to prove anything on facebook, you have to prove ownership. Just because some guys have confessed doesn't mean the next ones will. So you will have to ask facebook to give you data about their users. Good luck with that.

If the CCK is claiming that they can get data of a facebook user using IP addresses, then they are either not telling the whole truth or are gathering the data illegally. One thing is certain, if facebook gave out user IP's to 3rd parties without court orders, they will shut down their business tommorrow morning.

Mashada is a forum that is not hosted in Kenya but has Kenyans who comment there. In order to get the names of the people who comment there, you have to force mashada admin to hand them over to you. That creates problems for mashada admin, because they aren't governed by Kenyan internet law (which is non-existent) but where they are hosted laws.

The same goes for Kenyan list and the kenya daily post and even mashada.

But think about this.

So mashada admin agrees to hand over details of 1 of their most bigotted users. That opens them up to law suits from other users who can claim that their privacy has been compromised in the US courts. Those courts my friends have teeth, real teeth.

So admins have to decide to either sell out their users or have a few users who are law savvy who will finish their business in one swoop in lawsuits that will bankrupt them. Trust me, giving out information to 3rd parties especially if it is stated as such in the DCMA or terms of your website, is really really really frowned upon.

http://www.nydailynews.c...-sued-article-1.1173374

http://www.bloomberg.com...rs-without-consent.html

http://tech.slashdot.org...er-information-to-china

My unsolicited advice to those who wish to run online businesses is simple. Keep the servers in the US. It seems the Kenyan gov't has yet to understand the intricacies of law online. They are lashing out at anything and anyone.

http://www.theblaze.com/...ealing-dui-checkpoints/

http://www.rawstory.com/...-anti-semitic-messages/

I pity them online but they can surely do something on radio which we know are under Kenyan law.

Even if you had a blog that everyone assumes to be yours, its upto the complainant to prove it is yours. Good webmasters and hate speech mongers will run circles around you on that.

I'm afraid as usual, any action by the CCK on this issue will only make the hatemongers cover their tracks even more and only the ones in a while angry commentator will be taken to court.
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dunkang
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:00:31 AM
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@Alma, do you know what was passed by the UN last December on the internet?
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alma
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:03:51 AM
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@dunkang, the UN does not, has never, and will never control US laws.

Do you know there are some countries where if you host your servers in giving up any sort of information on your users is considered haram? The web hosts will never give out any information even if you put a gun on their heads. I'll not name them.

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KulaRaha
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:13:48 AM
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I recall similar discussion in 2007, when the Kibakists were busy calling admin ODM, etc etc.

Lets keeps it civil and enjoy the discussions...I like hearing both sides argue why their man is the best candidate.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:33:50 AM
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King G wrote:
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