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Current economy recession and the expected 2013 recovery
hisah
#1 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:52:29 PM
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KE econ having experienced 2 back to back quarters of GDP growth slowdown is technically in a recession. Going forward how will the econ recovery play out in an election year? Will it be a V-shaped, U-shaped or W-shaped recovery? Looking at CBK's and treasury's moves, a U-shaped recovery looks like it. That means I'm looking at 2013 Q2 starting a major bullish run as the GDP expansion recovers out of recession and charges full steam supported by growth esp cheap power & cheap loans as CBK expands M2 supply. A faster successful military mission conclusion in Somali will also add to the bullish momentum (Without election risks I could expect a V-shaped recovery). However, if the elections become spooky, well my expectations will just be wishful thinking. Also note that euroland debt bomb is the big spanner globally. A disorderly breakdown will definite spillover globally.

What say you about your recovery expectations?

http://bit.ly/lTCys -
short video about recession

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-shaped_recession - recession recovery shapes.

Merry Xmas smile
As for 2012, tighten your seatbelts on spending. Better to be prepared than not...


Update - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pwincsv4E0
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
QW25081985
#2 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:44:48 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . alarmist numba moja !
recession is quite a strong word to use there !
guru267
#3 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:25:34 AM
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hisah wrote:
KE econ having experienced 2 back to back quarters of GDP growth slowdown is technically in a recession


@hisah I thought your economics knowledge was pretty strong... But after this fallacy of a topic I cant be too sure any more..

Anyway point of education..

A recession can be considered if a country has undergone two or more quarters of NEGATIVE growth..

Although kenya is experiencing slowing economic growth it is still very much POSITIVE (+3.6%) so no recession here yet...

please review your potentially misleading statements above.

MERRY XMAS WAZUA!!
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Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#4 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:55:09 AM
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guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KE econ having experienced 2 back to back quarters of GDP growth slowdown is technically in a recession




A recession can be considered if a country has undergone two or more quarters of NEGATIVE growth..



Is the growth in reference to the immediate previous quarter or to last year's growth?smile
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
guru267
#5 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:04:30 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KE econ having experienced 2 back to back quarters of GDP growth slowdown is technically in a recession




A recession can be considered if a country has undergone two or more quarters of NEGATIVE growth..



Is the growth in reference to the immediate previous quarter or to last year's growth?smile


@youcant its negative year on year growth
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Cde Monomotapa
#6 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:46:34 AM
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Recession = negative growth, 2 Qs back2kcab-technically #period!
Cde Monomotapa
#7 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:49:26 AM
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@hisah maybe U should go back to Xul smile
QW25081985
#8 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:56:50 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
@hisah maybe U should go back to Xul smile


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . thats abit below the belt ...
but the guy is really an alarmist
the deal
#9 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:23:23 PM
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You can that to the bank, Kenya needs a miracle to prevent a recession.
Cde Monomotapa
#10 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:01:54 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
@hisah maybe U should go back to Xul smile


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . thats abit below the belt ...
but the guy is really an alarmist

What more can I say.
Cde Monomotapa
#11 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:05:23 PM
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the deal wrote:
You can that to the bank, Kenya needs a miracle to prevent a recession.

This guy too. Probably deportation as well.
youcan'tstopusnow
#12 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:53:21 PM
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NSE-20 on course for closing above 3100 for the year.

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We could use that oil find right about nowsmile
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jerry
#13 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:38:46 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
NSE-20 on course for closing above 3100 for the year.

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We could use that oil find right about nowsmile

Probably this is what Atwoli wanted expedited. I repeat; probably.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
QW25081985
#14 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:19:07 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
NSE-20 on course for closing above 3100 for the year.

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We could use that oil find right about nowsmile


dnt be fooled by the limping bull !
Cde Monomotapa
#15 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:54:49 PM
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jerry wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
NSE-20 on course for closing above 3100 for the year.

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We could use that oil find right about nowsmile

Probably this is what Atwoli wanted expedited. I repeat; probably.

YES! YES! YES! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly #yamaworkers smile
Cde Monomotapa
#16 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:56:59 PM
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MERRY Xmas Wazuans.
hisah
#17 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2011 9:17:07 PM
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Ah, I can see the thread has become thorny. Perfect smile

The term recession has many economists fighting for its definition. The one I chose is the MOST unpopular among the economist realm. It's at times referred to as 'newspaper' definition thus @qw's alarmist conclusion smile

What am I up to? Well the term current recession on this thread is forecasting the 2012 econ trend. I like calling trends before they take effect. So in 2012 it will be a current topic. So will @guru see the negative growth to be satisfied as the 2012 wears on smile

Always trend forecasting... That's me at my annoying best against everyone smile

@ybc - is back with a buy call but with caution smile

By the end of 2012, gok will have paid me dearly for buying their paper. @scubidu once asked why I was shorting KES before it zoomed past 90 to 107 smile

When oil discovery is announced, u can even buy paka & total instead of kk smile

Happy holidays smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
guru267
#18 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2011 9:41:01 PM
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hisah wrote:


What am I up to? Well the term current recession on this thread is forecasting the 2012 econ trend. I like calling trends before they take effect. So in 2012 it will be a current topic. So will @guru see the negative growth to be satisfied as the 2012 wears on smile


@hisah even with the global financial crisis in and post election violence that followed the 7% growth in kenya there was still no recession.. We still had POSITIVE growth...

Its a known fact that its almost completely impossible for a country at our stage of devolpment to post negative growth..

Even if its +1% kenyas growth will be positive in all quarters of 2012 so no recession is coming..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
kizee1
#19 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2011 10:50:39 PM
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hisah is spot on.... why aren't you guys reading the signs? inverted yield curve= likely recession , however monetary contraction= DEFINITE RECESSION,if you want to compare apples and apples go back to a period of monetary contraction and check out how the economy fared...of the top of my head i can think of two
1.post goldenberg era
2.post SAP(structural adjustment programs) era

2012 will def be bleak banks wont lend, add the silly bill capping lending rates and well... remember our M3 to GDP ratio is at 46pct, so unless the authorities create money the economy will tank, there's no incumbent running for office so need for an economic boom, doubt even 2013 will be a boom year, even if we discover oil we wont see benefits that soon
QW25081985
#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:12:58 AM
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hisah wrote:
Ah, I can see the thread has become thorny. Perfect smile

The term recession has many economists fighting for its definition. The one I chose is the MOST unpopular among the economist realm. It's at times referred to as 'newspaper' definition thus @qw's alarmist conclusion smile

What am I up to? Well the term current recession on this thread is forecasting the 2012 econ trend. I like calling trends before they take effect. So in 2012 it will be a current topic. So will @guru see the negative growth to be satisfied as the 2012 wears on smile

Always trend forecasting... That's me at my annoying best against everyone smile

@ybc - is back with a buy call but with caution smile

By the end of 2012, gok will have paid me dearly for buying their paper. @scubidu once asked why I was shorting KES before it zoomed past 90 to 107 smile

When oil discovery is announced, u can even buy paka & total instead of kk smile

Happy holidays smile




buy ???? he's gonna regret it ...my sight are on sub 2k after the current correction
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