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MIin of Finance & CBK Governor should step down
Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2008 Posts: 116
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It is clear that the Treasury and CBK have failed Kenyans. The Governor blamed the treasury for failure to manage its fiscal policies. Similarly the Minister says its the work of speculators (including commercial banks)- meaning he blames CBK for not whipping the concerned banks. And on record, it is said that both were proponents of weak shilling (can someone confirm this?)
It is well understood that Fiscal and monetary policies are intertwinned. Both must support each other for a stable economy. The CBK is under finance docket and also acts as Government Banker. CBK also directly advises the treasury on fiscal issues.
This are the two key institutions in Kenya's financial system. It is time for both to step down. They have failed in their duties and its not over yet.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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It is unlikely that orthodox economics will get us out of the present crisis.
So even if the minister and the governor stepped down, we wouldn't have any better people to fill the posts unless we are speaking of a total overhaul of our political and economic thinking.
And such an overhaul means changing ourselves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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If you asked me, they should be arraigned in court for failure to act, also the entire MPC should be on the dock with them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/11/2008 Posts: 892
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Treasury's real powers are with the technocrats, the likes of kinyua, etc. I do not think uhuru should resign. All i want is the cost of living to go down. Everything is going up up up. God help Kenya.. For in him (Jesus) we live and move and have our being-Acts 17:28
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 1,590
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We have had this wrong assumption that we Kikuyus are the only ones who can manage Kenya's economy. Hopefully this duo has knocked that idea off for good. Economics is a complex subject and in most successful economies, you appoint a mixture of non-ideological intelligent economists and successful business people. Neither of these can claim to be either. Finally, it was silly of General to keep Muigai as FinMin when he has the ICC thing hanging over him... Sehemu ndio nyumba
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Ati resign? Kenyans dont do that. Actually some would rather die. Maybe if they change their nationalities....... Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Wacheni witch hunting. Didn't u enjoy the monetary expansion? Bought cars, plasmas, holidays, plots e.t.c now its cooling off time. Review ur lifestyle. only you can do it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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We are in very tough economic times. Some time back only the poor were feeling the pinch, now most of us are feeling it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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We are in very tough economic times. Some time back only the poor were feeling the pinch, now most of us are feeling it. If Kibaki really cares about his legacy, he should personally take charge or people will associate his reign with high cost of living
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Lolest! wrote:We are in very tough economic times. Some time back only the poor were feeling the pinch, now most of us are feeling it. If Kibaki really cares about his legacy, he should personally take charge or people will associate his reign with high cost of living Best thing to do now is cut back on discretionary spending untill things improve. Waiting on Kibaki utajiju mwenyewe.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/13/2011 Posts: 67 Location: Kenya
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Mainat wrote:We have had this wrong assumption that we Kikuyus are the only ones who can manage Kenya's economy. Hopefully this duo has knocked that idea off for good.
Economics is a complex subject and in most successful economies, you appoint a mixture of non-ideological intelligent economists and successful business people. Neither of these can claim to be either. Finally, it was silly of General to keep Muigai as FinMin when he has the ICC thing hanging over him... @Mainat I do not believe this mess should be blamed on the two Kikuyus as you prefer to call them. I agree with earlier sentiments on total overhaul of our political and economic thinking. Unfortunately, we are soon getting to an election year and things are likely to get worse. Just do your part and do it well and pray God that all will be fine with the 2012 elections otherwise the worst is yet to come. Let us choose our leaders wisely coz we are united when we cannot afford unga, mafuta and sukari but come elections, we all get divided and retract to our tribal cocoons.God help Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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CaptainGG wrote:Mainat wrote:We have had this wrong assumption that we Kikuyus are the only ones who can manage Kenya's economy. Hopefully this duo has knocked that idea off for good.
Economics is a complex subject and in most successful economies, you appoint a mixture of non-ideological intelligent economists and successful business people. Neither of these can claim to be either. Finally, it was silly of General to keep Muigai as FinMin when he has the ICC thing hanging over him... @Mainat I do not believe this mess should be blamed on the two Kikuyus as you prefer to call them. I agree with earlier sentiments on total overhaul of our political and economic thinking. Unfortunately, we are soon getting to an election year and things are likely to get worse. Just do your part and do it well and pray God that all will be fine with the 2012 elections otherwise the worst is yet to come. Let us choose our leaders wisely coz we are united when we cannot afford unga, mafuta and sukari but come elections, we all get divided and retract to our tribal cocoons.God help Kenya I think even if you are Kikuyus its wrong to play the tribal card or sensationalise a tribe,you are building tribal hatred inversely. IMHO CBK has done everything in its power thru MPC to stimulate the economy as well as use every tool in its possession to reverse the current crisis but Treasury and its technocrats are letting us Down.I dont think they have used tools at their disposal to act. For instance to reduce the Import bill they shld tax heavily luxury goods,and regulate imports to allow for an efficient system where the import bill does not overwhelm us like its doing. Another thing is there seems to be a disconnect btwn treasury and CBK,the statement by Uhuru showed how different they are handling the situation, in a way he went ahead and reversed some of CBK's earlier remedies. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/14/2010 Posts: 84 Location: Nairobi
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Guys I expect rational thinking and balanced comments from Wazuans not this tribal and mudslinging show. First we need to understand what factors affect the rise and fall of the shilling Vs the dollar before commenting on anything about this topic. All over the world things are getting tougher and the nations that will survive are those exporting goods more than what they are importing. See what’s happening to Greece, Spain, Poland, Italy and even the US. Infact the fall of the shilling is a blessing to exporters, we need to use this opportunity to add value to our coffee, tea, milk products, hides and only export finished products paid in dollars otherwise how can Uhuru and Ndungu stop the shilling from falling yet the fall is influenced by factors beyond our borders. Read these views from M7 - http://www.newvision.co....ing-national-exams.html
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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[quote=FUNKY]A bit of good news http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFL5E7LH1BZ20111017[/quote] hmm...story says nada about cbk selling?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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I think we need to even look at the bigger picture and the bigger picture goes way back 6 yrs. Before we had a sliding shilling the inflation was picking up speed and I put the blame squarely on poor economic and financial policies and for that reason it is fundamentally right to call for resignation of the responsible parties.
First we started financing our budget by privatization of public companies, so we had unsustainable source of fund financing long term projects and when there were no more public companies to sell we had no option but to find other means to keep the projects going, the options included the expansion of money supply.
Secondly, there is corruption, when a country is loosing billions of money through known corruption deals, there is no way that country can pull itself up. If a budget can have a Ksh 5 billion error twice then how many more money are we loosing that we do not know?
The excuse that this problem is associated with the world financial system cannot hold water, unlike US,UK, EU, Canada, Japan and Australia, we manipulate our currency, the shilling is not free to fall based on the free market principles, Central Bank of Kenya buy and sell Shilling and dollars everyday to try to smoothen the shilling so by the time the shilling fall this far, there is a fundamental problem with our economy that cannot be corrected by currency manipulation. Money is the derivative of the economy so look no further than shortage of food supply, IDPs, Corruption and Insecurity, the basic elements of a sound government.
Lastly, people will come in with different opinions about the cause of all these, some will blame it on the climate( weather), some will blame it on world financial system but until you and I recognize the fact that corruption is the biggest cause of these and start looking closely at the people we're lining up for the next leadership, Kenya will just be like it is now.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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addidaskawembe wrote:Guys I expect rational thinking and balanced comments from Wazuans not this tribal and mudslinging show. First we need to understand what factors affect the rise and fall of the shilling Vs the dollar before commenting on anything about this topic. All over the world things are getting tougher and the nations that will survive are those exporting goods more than what they are importing. See what’s happening to Greece, Spain, Poland, Italy and even the US. Infact the fall of the shilling is a blessing to exporters, we need to use this opportunity to add value to our coffee, tea, milk products, hides and only export finished products paid in dollars otherwise how can Uhuru and Ndungu stop the shilling from falling yet the fall is influenced by factors beyond our borders. Read these views from M7 - http://www.newvision.co....ing-national-exams.html
I digg Cde Museveni's perspectives there
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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addidaskawembe wrote:Guys I expect rational thinking and balanced comments from Wazuans not this tribal and mudslinging show. First we need to understand what factors affect the rise and fall of the shilling Vs the dollar before commenting on anything about this topic. All over the world things are getting tougher and the nations that will survive are those exporting goods more than what they are importing. See what’s happening to Greece, Spain, Poland, Italy and even the US. Infact the fall of the shilling is a blessing to exporters, we need to use this opportunity to add value to our coffee, tea, milk products, hides and only export finished products paid in dollars otherwise how can Uhuru and Ndungu stop the shilling from falling yet the fall is influenced by factors beyond our borders. Read these views from M7 - http://www.newvision.co....ing-national-exams.html
We're net importer so we're negatively affacted by depreciating shilling, but if you're listening to Museveni then you probably won't get it, I understand!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2008 Posts: 116
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This is a healthy debate although we are getting some tribalistic views. But remember we are sharing this not because of the names of the office holders but due to the current problem facing our economy (this is the bottom line).
Someone said we don’t have minds to replace the two. I can say we have enough minds from all corners of the country. To start with I will give two names of renowned economists from Central Kenya - Prof. Francis Mwega & Prof. Mwabu (both of UON)… and many others. Mwega was in MPC before while Mwabu was never considered. This are people well versed with economics (Just see their profiles). And in the parliament there are able politicians to lead the treasury. Can an expert outside parliament be appointed to be a Minister (with the new constitution?).
Kenya has been a net importer, so why the mess now? Is it that our currency has been overvalued??(I understand Prof. Mwega did a study on this.
Still it is better if the two step down. They will not be the first-Ruto, Wetangula, Kimunya…..all did.
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