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Kenya: The Genesis of an Economic Crisis
the deal
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:31:52 PM
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Common sense is never enough...i see alot of common sense but there is no basic macroeconomics...to understand the current crisis u have to know its origin...it all began with the stimulus (more money in circulation) 2 years ago which worsened the BoP cos the stimulus promoted capital demand which resulted in more cash outflow since Kenya is net importer I.e importation of construction materials etc...initially the economy expanded and banks lended more to meet the increased capital demand...in turn production grew (supply) e.g real estate to meet increased consumption (demand)...and it was BOOM time esp 2010 (GDP growth of 5.7%, NSE +36%, Record profits from banksters)...and then prices started rising (Inflation) due to increased demand...Mr inflation started eroding that demand as people's disposable income fell...then all of sudden Wanjiku started crying that houses & food are expensive...then came the drought which made things worse...now back to GoK...the ecomomic expansion gave GoK false hope that it can still run a budget deficit since the economy is growing it can be easily be narrowed latter....so GoK came with a big expansionary budget for 2011-12 which further widened the deficit...question is where was GoK going to get all that money? Local sources of course....so GoK embarked on a programme to borrow 120 Billion from the local market..the same market the private sector (banks) is suppose to borrow from? The competition for funds worsened the liquidity situation in the market and as result interest rates started rising...meanwhile inflation kept on creeping up since demand for goods was still strong in the 1Q of 2011...but the goods where coming at a premium since the ccy has started taking a beating due to the worsening BoP which further eroded disposable income...the more sensitive part of the economy such as real estate started contracting and corporate earnings started to slow...With GoK determined to stay on course with its budget targets & implement the new constitution...GoK stepped up its bIorrowing further worsening the liquity crunch...in the end CBK was forced to inject more money into circulation through reverse repo's which further accelerated the depreciation of the ccy and in turn worsed the BoP to me thats the genesis of the current situation..

This situation could have been easily solved if CBK hiked the repo rate to cool off the economy and prevent the economy from crash lending...or even asking for foreign aid (IMF) was appropriate as you can see from above even if the Shilling recovers it would be because of increase in global risk appetite not because of improving economic fundamentals.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:47:54 PM
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agree with everything apart from borrowing from IMF, again IMF bear quite a significant portion of blame as regards KES weakness
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:08:01 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
agree with everything apart from borrowing from IMF, again IMF bear quite a significant portion of blame as regards KES weakness


We as Kenyans are solely responsible for this mess. Let us accept that and work on it! We have messed up our economy based on the mere fact that our leaders have been too greedy to see the big picture.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:52:57 PM
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I think the situation we are in is brought about by an economy that is too liberal that speculators and capitalist manipulate the system to the detriment of the overall economy.

Take fuel for instance speculators have pushed the dollar so high that even if the international price goes down we cant benefit from it same with other commodities.

I think CBK should find away to control the FX market because volatility in this segment has a very negative impact on the overall economy.

As I had quoted one of the trader in another thread,most speculators thrive in volatility so if CBK seems unable to contain a situation speculators will take over and that can be disastrous as we are currently seeing in the FX and the sugar sector.

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the deal
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:12:17 PM
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The Monetary & fiscal laxity is attracting speculators.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:10:20 PM
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I think the CBK wants the shilling to depreciate, its good for the economy
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#7 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:44:13 AM
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StatMeister wrote:
I think the CBK wants the shilling to depreciate, its good for the economy

For a net importing nation... How is this a benefit?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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#8 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:52:14 AM
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Blame it on the cheap Japanese cars flooding our small narrow roads - The Probox and the like.
We all know that before the 90's, when you could only buy a locally assembled car, the shilling was very strong.(Actually, in 1978, you only needed 7 bob to get the USD, now its depreciated 15 times) Ofcourse we all know that.
Now, when you buy a locally assembled car, just know you have created employment. The reverse is true when you buy the Jap cars!
Plus our production of cash crops esp Coffee was more then than now!!!Can you imagine)
Then what happened to our Patriotism!
Lets buy Kenya build Kenya!
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GGK
#9 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:01:34 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Blame it on the cheap Japanese cars flooding our small narrow roads


Things have changed a lot since 70's. Then there used to be reliable mass transport system by Kenya Bus.

I also tend to think policy makers are too liberal on how the economy runs. Off course allowing too much car imports have multiplier effect as the fuel imports will increases and strain on the infrastructure pushing fuel consumption further.

Am convinced we need more controls otherwise we'll fail spectacularly
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#10 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:25:08 PM
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hisah wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
I think the CBK wants the shilling to depreciate, its good for the economy

For a net importing nation... How is this a benefit?


Good question
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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:49:42 PM
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All the signs are there, but no one anticipates the black swan. You see, we know it all, don't we? Until the perfect storm hits!

- inflation at all time high
- equity market suffering
- upcoming elections
- USD KES rate
- drought
- growing budget deficit
- unsustainable interest rate
- property prices up the roof

StatMeister
#12 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:57:35 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
hisah wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
I think the CBK wants the shilling to depreciate, its good for the economy

For a net importing nation... How is this a benefit?


Good question


It makes imports expensive giving more headroom for local production. Absolutely necessary for long-term economic growth.

Japan has been trying to devalue their currency, the US grieves that the Chinese currency is too weak hence always favouring Chinese products.
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shenzitype
#13 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:43:07 PM
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For a net importing country a weak currency is not desired.

Policywise we should not ignore the benefits of the liberalization to the general economy, it has made us more competitive in the global markets.

We could also shift from this obsession with imports right now there are kenyans wearing imported second hand knickers!
The result the highest trade deficit ever. Though it may too late for incubation protection of some of these industries - fact remains its been done in places like south africa.
the deal
#14 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:51:07 PM
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shenzitype wrote:
For a net importing country a weak currency is not desired.

Policywise we should not ignore the benefits of the liberalization to the general economy, it has made us more competitive in the global markets.

We could also shift from this obsession with imports right now there are kenyans wearing imported second hand knickers!
The result the highest trade deficit ever. Though it may too late for incubation protection of some of these industries - fact remains its been done in places like south africa.

Real talkApplause
redondo
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:12:16 PM
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Some countries are so intentional in their efforts to reduce trade imbalance. Why shouldn't we do the same?

http://www.economist.com/node/21530136

http://www.economist.com/node/21530144
GGK
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:45:22 PM
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I guess some form of restriction is now imperative. Look at Thika Road for example, why couldn't we have give our local contractors a chance even if the project was to be be 10 lots? We get a loan from ADB and then send the entire money to China, and the little that is left we import toys from china.

In total, the whole kshs 30 billion goes to China


redondo wrote:
Some countries are so intentional in their efforts to reduce trade imbalance. Why shouldn't we do the same?

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StatMeister
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:28:04 PM
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GGK wrote:
I guess some form of restriction is now imperative. Look at Thika Road for example, why couldn't we have give our local contractors a chance even if the project was to be be 10 lots? We get a loan from ADB and then send the entire money to China, and the little that is left we import toys from china.

In total, the whole kshs 30 billion goes to China


redondo wrote:
Some countries are so intentional in their efforts to reduce trade imbalance. Why shouldn't we do the same?



Haiya, Ephraim Maina, him of Kirinyaga, was given the Thika - Nyeri road in 2003. The bugger has not finished it to date.
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the deal
#18 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:03:05 PM
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Kenya Q-Q GDP contracts by 4.6% while y-y up 4.1% while current account deficit doubles I expect the 3Q GDP numbers to be worse at this rate Kenya will enter negative growth by 1H 2012 http://af.reuters.com/ar...ws/idAFL5E7KT3IE20110929
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#19 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:01:14 PM
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[quote=the deal]Kenya Q-Q GDP contracts by 4.6% while y-y up 4.1% while current account deficit doubles I expect the 3Q GDP numbers to be worse at this rate Kenya will enter negative growth by 1H 2012 http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFL5E7KT3IE20110929[/quote]
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#20 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:04:04 PM
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the deal wrote:
Kenya Q-Q GDP contracts by 4.6% while y-y up 4.1% while current account deficit doubles I expect the 3Q GDP numbers to be worse at this rate Kenya will enter negative growth by 1H 2012 http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFL5E7KT3IE20110929


kenya in negative growth next year??

dude you rely abit too much on the info in the news..
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