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Runda fights against intrusion by Nairobi road
real cindano
#21 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 6:48:09 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Runda - uptown will meet downtown. Some of the people who live here never see Kenyans from lower economic classes. Their life is Runda-Villagemarket-Office-Airport. Welcome to the real Kenya Rundans. This is not S.Africa mjifungie hivyo. On a different note why don't the billionaires in Kenya ever donate their money to charity like in the US. Kenyans who make it in this society owe a debt to it.

What proof do you have that they don't ? .........
Manu chandaria si very philanthropic.....
Lions club made up of millionaires are also very philanthropic ..........
Why don't the middle class donate money .........
Bulk of donations in the west is actually middle class ..........
If you exclude Gate billions(He is the exception) ......
Runda should shut up and put up ......
Neighbouring estates eg Nyari, WK, kitusuru etc are busy planting bushy trees along the proposed Road and in their estates ............
To compensate for noise, and exhaust ...........
They are dealing with it ...........

Runda stands alone Kenya association of residence alliance is not backing them ...........
They are being selfish ...........
Makumbaff hao!!!!!
Gathotho
#22 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:48:15 PM
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Shame on you Barabara ijengwe. It is only in Kenya where we have individuals privatising public space. Wapotelee mbali. And the argument about lowering their lifestyles and the cost of their house, who cares? This is a public good whose utility is require by all. Kama hawataki intrusion, wahame, ama waishi chini ya ardhi!Liar
jaggernaut
#23 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:21:14 PM
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There's no stopping this road. I used the Bypass today from Ruiru through Membley, Kahawa west, Githurai 44, Thome, Windsor, Kiambu road and into Runda and the Chinese are doing an excellent job. There were many demolitions at Kahawa and seems like there will be some at Membley. I can also see on Google maps that a large area of the slum neighbouring Runda has been demolished for the road.
kyt
#24 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:57:13 PM
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i will only remember obako for roads. way to go.
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#25 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 9:10:52 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
On a different note why don't the billionaires in Kenya ever donate their money to charity like in the US. Kenyans who make it in this society owe a debt to it.

Matt 6:3 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

I will be moving into a new office this week [regulars will recall that I was looking for space in CBD - I found it finally]; during negotiations, the manager mentioned that the owner of the building donates all the rent collected to various education charities... and that he [owner] has several other buildings in town whose rent also goes to charity. Bills for the buildings [power, water, rates etc] are paid from the owner's other businesses...
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#26 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 9:13:30 AM
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yekeyeke wrote:
@ robinhood. i agree with your comments. @mukiha is not all together. He kind of tends to love the rich and hate the poor.

It is fashionable in Kenya to love the "poor" and hate the "rich". I prefer not to be fashionable.

There is always another side to every story and I like to encourage people to look for it.
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#27 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 9:55:36 AM
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Does the lawyer representing the Rundaists think he can win or does he just want to fatten his purse. No person really owns land since radical title vests in the state. The state can simply take your land and compensate you what it thinks you are worth. Then there is the principle of public interest.
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#28 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 10:14:41 AM
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@Mukiha, it's about the rule of the law. People are always complaining about impunity in Kenya, the people who bought/sold the land knew that it was earmarked for a road.
Sadly, people never imagine that there can be a change in regime. It's not personal, look at roads along Thika Road, even people flanking the railway in Kibera will also be moved.
Let us exorcise emotions from the issue. Even if the road was planned for 100 years ago, buyers knew that it was land meant for a road.
yekeyeke
#29 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 11:44:15 AM
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Yes Mukiha. Its about fighting impunity and there are no rights being trampled on.

Answer for me these few simple questions:-

-In which year was the road designed and approved by the govenment?
-In which year was the first house built in Runda?
-Who was first on site and who followed?
-what commitments did the Kenya Govenment give to the UN for the UN offices to be based in Nairobi back in 1972?
-Was infrastructure and anew aiport part of these?



And please do not start arguing that road plans for 1960s are irrelevant today. We have heard that before.
If these plans were irelevant today, then why havent i heard you oppose the building of the Nanyuki, Moyale road that was agreed on between Jomo Kenyatta and Heile Selassie back in 1964.
This road is being built today and funding was signed off about one month ago.

If the people of North Kenya need a 1964 road, then people of Nairobi also need the 1969 road as well.

And why havent you come back to me regarding the interstate road ntwork in the US and how it changed the face and the economy of that country up to this date, when it was designed and built after the 2nd world war. Did you google the subject?

Do i need to mention the Uganda Railway?




mukiha
#30 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 12:09:09 PM
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mukiha wrote:

#10 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:45:08 PM
The last time we had this debate; I was almost lynched for siding with the Rundans.

True; the shilling value of the plots will go up; but the aesthetic value will drop significantly.

Also; is a road designed 25 years ago still a valid proposition today?

Any way, don't bite me: I'm just trying to bring in the other side of the coin...


yekeyeke wrote:
Yes Mukiha. Its about fighting impunity and there are no rights being trampled on.

Answer for me these few simple questions:-

-In which year was the road designed and approved by the govenment?
-In which year was the first house built in Runda?
-Who was first on site and who followed?
-what commitments did the Kenya Govenment give to the UN for the UN offices to be based in Nairobi back in 1972?
-Was infrastructure and anew aiport part of these?



And please do not start arguing that road plans for 1960s are irrelevant today. We have heard that before.
If these plans were irelevant today, then why havent i heard you oppose the building of the Nanyuki, Moyale road that was agreed on between Jomo Kenyatta and Heile Selassie back in 1964.
This road is being built today and funding was signed off about one month ago.

If the people of North Kenya need a 1964 road, then people of Nairobi also need the 1969 road as well.

And why havent you come back to me regarding the interstate road ntwork in the US and how it changed the face and the economy of that country up to this date, when it was designed and built after the 2nd world war. Did you google the subject?

Do i need to mention the Uganda Railway?

@yekeyeke;
You are missing my point.

I have nothing against roads.

I support the construction of road from Isiolo to Moyale... and we should also do the Marsabit - Garrisa - Mandera too... and not to forget Garissa - Malindi, through Hola...

I do agree with you [without having to google!] that roads and other transport infrastructure fuels economic growth of a region. Indeed, I oppose the popular notion in Kenya that we should only build roads in "productive" regions.

Dr. Obare of Egerton university has proven [in his PhD thesis] that transport is the most important facilitator of economic development. As he usually quips: "don't waste money building schools and hospitals, build a road and people will use it to earn enough money to take their children to private schools and their sick to private hospitals"

So; what's my point?

Simply this: when you want to build a road and SOME people start complaining about it, don't just brash them aside as "anti-development" or "too proud". Listen to them and ask yourself this: "what is it that I am not seeing here"

There is always a second side to a story.
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mukiha
#31 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 12:13:38 PM
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Proverbs 18:17

The first to present his case seems right,
till another comes forward and questions him.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Mkimwa
#32 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 1:10:53 PM
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mukiha wrote:

So; what's my point?

Simply this: when you want to build a road and SOME people start complaining about it, don't just brash them aside as "anti-development" or "too proud". Listen to them and ask yourself this: "what is it that I am not seeing here"

There is always a second side to a story.


Please share the second side of the story.. Am interested in what am not seeing..
yekeyeke
#33 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 1:19:47 PM
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Okay Mukiha

I have seen your answer and indeed you have seen the light. Asante Sana.
sheep
#34 Posted : Monday, August 09, 2010 1:57:32 PM
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nobody needs to complain or worry....I can bet watchimba nusu,then the rest wasahau for the next 50yrs...just look at mlolongo,theyve rebuilt the demolished parts again even bigger than before...serikali ni paraparapara tu...hakuna kitu inaweza fanya
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