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CFC-Stanbic 2009
youcan'tstopusnow
#181 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:19:54 PM
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gladiator wrote:
@youcan'tstopusnow One big difference is that KPLC preference shares are held by the government while Total's are not

gladiator, asante for pointing that out
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guru267
#182 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:31:38 AM
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Whether preference shares are owned by the government or not they are still open to conversion which will cause dilution
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#183 Posted : Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:16:32 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Whether preference shares are owned by the government or not they are still open to conversion which will cause dilution
I hope sanity prevails and conversion is only allowed at 300/-. The current price is 'discounted' due to uncertainty + lack of FY 2009-10 results which I expect will be much better than last year!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#184 Posted : Monday, July 26, 2010 3:09:56 PM
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i hope people took their profits here...
mukiha
#185 Posted : Monday, July 26, 2010 4:04:44 PM
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the deal wrote:
i hope people took their profits here...

You panic too quickly... it's back to 85 and holding...and bids out-number asks by 3:1...

Wacha haraka; that guy asking for 93 will see his order serviced....
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guru267
#186 Posted : Monday, July 26, 2010 7:15:55 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Whether preference shares are owned by the government or not they are still open to conversion which will cause dilution
I hope sanity prevails and conversion is only allowed at 300/-. The current price is 'discounted' due to uncertainty + lack of FY 2009-10 results which I expect will be much better than last year!

I'm projecting 09-10 PBT to be around 6billion for KPLC....
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mukiha
#187 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:22:59 PM
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www.mystocks.co.ke shows a couple of deals closed at 90 bob just minutes before closing time
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
ProverB
#188 Posted : Friday, August 06, 2010 2:30:14 PM
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..the first time i came to this thread..it was trading at 43.00...had announced full year results for 09 with a negative earnings per share of 0.22 and a negative ROE(Return on Equity) of 0.18% as well as negative Return on Assets of 0.03%
..Basically everything about it was negative

(as a rule...painfully learnt from likes of uchumi, eveready, ea cable..i stay away from counters with negative ROE..low ROA)

... it is trading at 89.50 today.. ..driven largely by perception/expectations rather than fundamentals..but then there is this...

sparkly wrote:
CFC has a book value of 71. Based on 2009 accounts, new CSH (bank) will have a book value of 64 while CFCIH will have a book value of 6. Liberty paid 6.80 per share of CFCIH totaling to appx 800m. Part of the 800 to be used to pay off debts, the rest to be invested in govt securities but later to be used to grow the business.


and this too...
http://www.sharenet.co.z...news_disp.php?id=471028

With the published figures today..compared to last year everything is definately positive!! It doesnt necessarily mean counter is now on safe profitable trail henceforth..questions as to declined performance over the years must be answered..if the demerger is solving this..i wonder how.. was the Insurance arm dragging bank down? Sad

@MukiHa.. et al..
help a young man understand this thing.



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mukiha
#189 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:40:59 PM
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I off-loaded 15% of my holding at 90 bob last Friday.

This profit was intended to go to Unga; but I've changed my mind and taking it to CMC...
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
PKoli
#190 Posted : Sunday, August 08, 2010 5:50:58 PM
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mukiha wrote:
I off-loaded 15% of my holding at 90 bob last Friday.

This profit was intended to go to Unga; but I've changed my mind and taking it to CMC...


You are not waiting for 140? What was your rationale? Thinning supply and the oncoming demerger should sweeten the things for CFC
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