wazua Wed, Apr 15, 2026
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In

10 Pages«<56789>»
clergy in a fix
vinii
#61 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:09:42 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/14/2009
Posts: 2,057


Pastor M wrote:
@sky5 I also hope so...I hope the church and her lawyers were lying.....I pray my great grandchildrean (if they will not be aborted)will not accuse me....but time will tell...Lets pray and Build our nation Its my only country where my family lives and my whole clan lives...Its my beloved nation Kenya.



@ Pastor M

One gets the feeling that you are 'praying' for the worst so that you can be vindicated at some future date. Be that as it may, let me assure you that your great grand children will be happy in the knowledge that you left them a legacy, a constitution that gives them more space to determine their destiny in very many respects..
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
Seeders
#62 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:10:58 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/17/2010
Posts: 234
Location: Nairobi
kiimwana...

so then we agree that:

1-the church could voice its opinion on why it does not like the draft and suggest to you to vote no because in any case, the vote was by secret ballot and you can vote as you wish. i am sure that's not rocket science to the super intelligent masses of literate kenyans.

2-that neither the entire clergy nor all voters or politicians in the no camp were necessarily lying when interpreting the constitution.



JWK wrote:
boy or boy....
@Seeder
'question1-in other words, they should tell you why they vehemently oppose the draft but end by suggesting you vote yes? not sure how 'literate' that is...'
[No! Didn't even get close to suggesting that! Don't know where you're reading that.[/i]

question2-when it comes to interpreting the constitution, is every position either absolute truth or absolute lie?
You and I know that this is not the case or? Did I seuggest that? Fill me in pls......

question3-and speaking of literacy, you mean there are people who thought the church was going with them to the ballot box? i thought the fact that voting would be secret ballot was common knowledge (read 'common sense')?
[i] Come of it man! Literacy and the church, I don't think I mixed that up or? When the church tells people to reject the draft because it disagrees with a few issues in it,to me thats trying to influence people's decision making in short taking people to the barrot box, isn't it to you?

masukuma
#63 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:34:23 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
as PLO Lumumba says "it is in the nature of democracy that the minority have their say but the Majority have their way", it is not to say that the Majority are right! its that their choice has to be accepted. Being Right is not a democratic stance neither is the truth.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Wendz
#64 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:39:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/19/2008
Posts: 4,268
Brewer wrote:

@ Wendz, serious questions you raise there. I refrain from blaming. With the referendum behind us and having learnt from it, I think the solution lies in the church,like the catholic church to which you said you belong, and its members having a conversation on the church doctrine on abortion and the means and ways of matching the doctrine with the reality on the ground and to be proud to be agents of positive social change. The church has done it before in areas of education and health, why not this one?


Tell you what @Brewer, that is exactly where the challenge comes in at times. The church that i am in has some strict and rigid doctrines. In fact, in my opinion, the most flawed clause in this constitution that we passed and that originated from the catholic doctrine is that life begins at conception. That clause, if followed strictly renders most of the family planning methods "illegal" and according to the catholic church, these family planning cause 'abortion' - which in itself is illegal. And which, i am not sure how other Christians (other than Catholics - and just some of them) would react to it given that we cant reproduce like uncontrollably for obvious reasons. If we are to follow this way of thinking, i do not know how the law will enforce this or determine that someone is actually going against the law. That does not mean that the church is wrong, just hat it sometimes is impractical in some circumstances. i hope we shall find a way, somehow, of dealing with some of these issues.
Pastor M
#65 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:56:38 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/18/2009
Posts: 303
vinii wrote:


Pastor M wrote:
@sky5 I also hope so...I hope the church and her lawyers were lying.....I pray my great grandchildrean (if they will not be aborted)will not accuse me....but time will tell...Lets pray and Build our nation Its my only country where my family lives and my whole clan lives...Its my beloved nation Kenya.



@ Pastor M

One gets the feeling that you are 'praying' for the worst so that you can be vindicated at some future date. Be that as it may, let me assure you that your great grand children will be happy in the knowledge that you left them a legacy, a constitution that gives them more space to determine their destiny in very many respects..


@Viini I think I m not a devil to pray that my greatgrandchildrean will be aborted,please dont put words into my mouth...I wrote that from my heart that is my prayer....I pray that my childrean,grandchildrean and my other generations will not have more space but contrary they will be limited by the word of God and be willing prisoners of my faith in Jesus Christ.Those are my prayers everyday and somehow I know my prayers will be answered.
Shal
#66 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:03:11 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/3/2009
Posts: 9
God is almighty and well able to fight for himself. He does not have to keep proving himself to us over and over, He is God and he knows it.

The clergy did all the best they could, i salute them. Where they over reacted they did come out and apologized and they remain God's chosen vessels. For now lets thank God for a safe referendum and ponder how to proceed with the new constitution. We are all Kenya's and we are all winners.
JWK
#67 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:26:27 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 9/7/2009
Posts: 30
@Seeders
Tell you this; you have a right to your own interpretation on each and every letter, word and sentence written here.
I aired my opinion and you have a right to see it as you so wish.
The bottomline is majority of kenyans have agreed to a new constitution and the church was a big let down this time round.
amwitu
#68 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:29:25 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 3/2/2010
Posts: 22
Location: Nairobi
Even with this outcome, On the overall, I strongly believe that the church has made her point and therefore cannot be ignored that easily given that she has gannered over 2million votes! Those are over 2M Kenyans and they need not to be ignored.
AM BETTER OFF BEING A REPENTANT SINNER THAN A RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITE.
Pastor M
#69 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:35:00 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/18/2009
Posts: 303
JWK wrote:
@Seeders
Tell you this; you have a right to your own interpretation on each and every letter, word and sentence written here.
I aired my opinion and you have a right to see it as you so wish.
The bottomline is majority of kenyans have agreed to a new constitution and the church was a big let down this time round.


@JWK why was the Church a big let down to you ?Just because the church was minority or...because they hightlighted the flaws in the katiba...who else were you expecting to highlight them...



JWK
#70 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:43:01 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 9/7/2009
Posts: 30
@Pastor M
The church was a let down to me because of behaving like politicians in 2007;fabricating lies and misinterpretating certain parts of the constitution and asking the voters to vote no. Like I said before and I maintain this, they should have highlighted their issues of concern and and left the people to make their choice without influence. Get my point? The 2million people should have been left to free choice.
10 Pages«<56789>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2026 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.