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extrablessed
#21 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:34:05 PM
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Unfortunately, we will have more government, not less...Only that this time we will have many "venomous sarpents", not one huge "python"...

Also be sure you get a copy of Kilifi, kitui, etc County bylaws before you travel there next time - what is meat in your county could land into serious problems in another county. The homogenity of kenyan laws is gone...
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kadonye
#22 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:38:15 PM
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2012 wrote:
kadonye wrote:
Those vilifying the Reds are participating in USHENZI.


Please stop the insults. When democracy wins everybody wins. I agree with you though that 33% is a significant figure and cannot be ignored and I believe that Kenyans are now more than ever before ready to deal with issues more soberly. Today I'm proud to be Kenyan.


@2012, I would hate to see another 2008 chaos happen.If you are so pro-democracy, why do you feel that 12million other voters must vote on your side?Kenya is a democratic state where one has freedom of choice within the law.

FYI,I voted YES.It's now time to move forward.To invite the reds into nation building based on the new law.We should aim to win them over not to taunt them.

That ushenzi thing is from Ungwana initiative, separating tabia mbaya from what we ought to do

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theman192000
#23 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:53:54 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
Unfortunately, we will have more government, not less...Only that this time we will have many "venomous sarpents", not one huge "python"...

Also be sure you get a copy of Kilifi, kitui, etc County bylaws before you travel there next time - what is meat in your county could land into serious problems in another county. The homogenity of kenyan laws is gone...


@extra; Currently councils do have different by-laws. Homogeneity, if it exists, is at the penal code level and at the constitutional level I suppose.

Personally, I'd rather have many matatus instead of one big bus because if one matatu breaks down, the problem can be easily isolated and resolved without bring the entire transport system to a grinding halt.

Note that we do have devolved government in the form of CDF.
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nostoppingthis
#24 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:12:51 PM
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Why are we assuming that all the 33% voted that way because of Ruto? 2012 is a different ball game...
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extrablessed
#25 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:24:10 PM
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@Theman192000, its seems you voted bila kujisomea! The kind of county laws in our counties will be different from current concils, and much similar to the U.S states. Some U.S state have laws that are very liberal and friendly while others are very punitive and unfriendly...
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Impunity
#26 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:33:33 PM
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The way Ruto fought hard just make me to hate KM more and more.
Kiema Kilonzo infact has tougher balls than KM.
I wish Synovate could carry out a poll today on the likely presidential candidate come 2012...Ruto and Rao will tie.
Ruto will prosper on issues while Rao on sycophancy...KM will slightly beat Bifwoli.
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MaichBlack
#27 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:10:18 PM
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Impunity wrote:
I wish Synovate could carry out a poll today on the likely presidential candidate come 2012...Ruto and Rao will tie.
Ruto will prosper on issues while Rao on sycophancy

@Impunity - Are you serious?? Did you just compare Ruto to Raila? Seriously!!? That reminds me of a song during the Kanu-NDP merger time where the musician had a line: "Wewe kujaribu kuji-compare na mimi ni kama ku-compare Kamotho na Raila". Raila is truly a national leader - now more than ever before. Ruto might - and it's a big might - carry Rift Valley. Where else? Let's get serious at times!
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MaichBlack
#28 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:18:12 PM
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murenj wrote:
Now that wanainchi has spoken, ruto should join moi in retirement

Theu wrote:
r u also forgetting Ocampo? Laughing out loudly d'oh!

My sentiments exactly!!! How far is Ocampo with this manenos. We need to ship EVERYONE [main guys] who participated in the PEV to the Hague - PNU, ODM, YES, NO, CANCEL - EVERYONE!!!

This needs to be done sooner rather than later. Kenyans forget very fast. Some people will start saying "Now that the referendum was peaceful, Kenya is back in the right track and opening this 'old wounds' bla bla bla...". Ocampo abebe hawa watu haraka iwezekanavyo.

On Moi, someone needs to be Man or Woman enough to arrest and prosecute him for all the evils he did in his 24 years in power. That would be one of the clearest signal that we will are not going to tolerate impunity and whatever level!!! Don't even get me started on Biwott and the rest. I say Lets open this old wounds!!!
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extrablessed
#29 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:18:22 PM
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@maichblack, call a spade a spade not a big spoon! both fellas are tribal in nature and have massive unequivocal sycophantic support from their tribal zones...No other leader in Kenya can inflict this kind of spell on his/her subject...Matiba tried it once, but it disintegrated pretty fast!!!
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MaichBlack
#30 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:28:01 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
@maichblack, call a spade a spade not a big spoon! both fellas are tribal in nature and have massive unequivocal sycophantic support from their tribal zones...No other leader in Kenya can inflict this kind of spell on his/her subject...Matiba tried it once, but it disintegrated pretty fast!!!

It's true Raila has the Luo community 100% behind him but I assure you, he also has a following countrywide [Obviously not 100%]. A lot of Kenyans actually feel he can run the country. I'm one of those Kenyans by the way. I wonder how many Kenyans can even imagine Ruto in State House.
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