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clergy in a fix
Pastor M
#31 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:13:03 PM
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What is the big deal Now the Katiba has passed..briefly lets look what the Church has done (I m Proud of the Church steadness in the whole process)
1)The Church saw errors which were contrary to the word of God (bible) in the Katiba......
2)The Church choose to highlight the issue with the gova (of which as per everyone expections church was supposed to be quite)but chooses to highlights the flaws to Gova and Kenyans the .......
3)Gova ignores the issues.......
4)Church tells people to vote against the Katiba.....
5)Quarter maybe agrees with the church....
6)The laws passes as kenyans really likes to listen to their conscience....
7)Life Goes on kenyans continue to worship others drop out of churches (christian worship will be harder),medical officers continue to kill the unborn when mothers life is in 'danger' ....
8)Consequences comes economically,spiritually,socially,morals etc to be felt either (good-my prayers) or (bad) of which it will be seeing by everyone maybe tomorrow,next year,next decade or next century.
NB The church Conscious before their God is clean.(period)
Wa_ithaka
#32 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:18:55 PM
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pastor M- YES even the many liars among them, I hope their conscience is clear
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muganda
#33 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:29:51 PM
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@Pastor M, few more corrections if you will; as per your points:

1) Some would argue nothing was contrary to the word of God (Kadhis court) except possible loopholes (on abortion). Some would say, up to the point of assisting and committing a frivolous abortion, nothing is contra yet.

3) Church documents according to Njoki Ndungu contained a list of 27 requests for insertion into Katiba. Everything was included in the draft, in the form requested, save for Kahdhi's courts and exceptions on abortion.

8)Your motives seem sincere; not possible to speak for motives of all other Yes/No proponents for that matter - only God can judge the hearts of men.

theman192000
#34 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:37:06 PM
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Looking at the history of Christianity, one cannot fail to notice that although Jesus Christ was one, there exist several branches of Christianity. Even several versions of the bible are in existence.

It therefore should not come as any surprise that the church chose to interpret clauses of the proposed constitution in a different manner.

Going forward, we must acknowledge and separate Christianity from the institutions of Christianity. While the teachings of Christ will remain the same, the institutions of Christianity will continue to evolve but will still remain relevant for the foreseeable future.
masukuma
#35 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:43:19 PM
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the Church is a road sign not a driver. it just says "Trouble Ahead" , it does not drive you in the opposite direction.
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Ms Mkenya
#36 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:51:09 PM
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I agree with Pastor M & Masukuma, the church did give the warning.. That was their role.

We will have to live with what comes of it now.
All in all, as rightfully put earlier, God is the judge of men's hearts...
....above all, to stand.
muganda
#37 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:53:26 PM
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Applause Applause Applause
theman192000 wrote:
Going forward, we must acknowledge and separate Christianity from the institutions of Christianity. While the teachings of Christ will remain the same, the institutions of Christianity will continue to evolve but will still remain relevant for the foreseeable future.

masukuma wrote:
the Church is a road sign not a driver. it just says "Trouble Ahead" , it does not drive you in the opposite direction.


Didn't want to say more but just had to applaud the last two contributions.

It's in the nature of democracy that the minority must have their Say, but the majority must have their Way PLO Lumumba

kadonye
#38 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:54:13 PM
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I don't think the clergy are in a fix.They stood by what they thought was right.

I believe they were sincere.They should now start collecting signatures for amendments and convincing us why we need them.

But I don't see myself opposing kadhi courts
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Mpenzi
#39 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:00:36 PM
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Am glad there was strong opposition to the Proposed Constitution. We were therefore able to debate the problematic issues in the PC rather than simply accept a document handed down by the political class. The debates are not over and the points put across will come in handy in the process of crafting and enacting the myriad implementation laws that the PC envisages.
Mtublack
#40 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:29:02 PM
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good or Bad i dont known but one thing is true about the church after the refredum is that, The political class know that they can go against the church opinion on issues touch the society and win the masses approval
Some you win some you lose
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