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#21 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:25:12 AM
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folks, defeated the red camp maybe but they have played a very significant role in the history of kenya's new katiba: they indirectly made us to read the katiba more carefully and subject it to a more thorough & detailed debate than would have been the case if all were ayes from the beginning. Never before has the kenyan katiba been read as widely as it has by so many ordinary kenyans as has been in the last year or so.

For that role, thanks REDS.
Magigi
#22 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:26:54 AM
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@Pastor M
...I prayed day and night that it goes through...You prayed day and night that it fails. My prayers were heard. GOD is GOOD...
2012
#23 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:32:57 AM
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We should remember that this is a constitution and not a holy book. We're not rewriting The Holy Bible, The Holy Quo'ran or The Gita.

So Lucifer will continue his work as usual because if you read your Bible, after Jesus came we stopped being judged as Nations and we will be judged as individuals for your body is the Temple of God.

BBI will solve it
:)
the sage
#24 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:43:44 AM
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On Sunday we will preach the gospel.
NB I m proud of the Kenyan Church she stood united and spoke in one voice.
Church was not united, and, the results show that Kenyans are beginning to take the truth as authority as opposed to the authority as the truth.
We are having our very small Enlightenment Era.
Wa_ithaka
#25 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:47:32 AM
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The pishops and their minions made the fatal error of getting involved in politics and becoming politicians. Politicians are liars and that is how the pishops have played it.

Luckily for them, Kenyans have sort memeories and will paying sadaka and other underhand fees as usual in a short time
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
muganda
#26 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:48:07 AM
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@masukuma, sad I have to say this but, the clergy are often fornicators as well - irrespective of whether they voted Yes/No

That being said, I believe respect must be given to those who dedicate themselves to God's work, even though they are only human.


Ecclesiates 7:20 For there is not a just man on earth, that does good, and sins not.
Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, "I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin"?

muganda
#27 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:49:25 AM
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@Pastor M, ignore comments made in bad taste. I have to disagree with your OBEY position. While I agree 4/6 of congregation may have hard hearts, it is wrong to construe a YES vote as disobedience.

God saw it fit every man has a conscience and St. Thomas Aquinas said conscience is the voice of God. So it's possible to be very God fearing and still vote YES; just as Jesus asked people of Judeah to pay taxes to Ceaser while still believing in God.



On another note, is it possible about 15hrs ago, Nation mistakenly showed NO in the lead as noted by one Erik Hersman The @dailynation referendum twitter results are *exactly opposite* of the IIEC results on their own website...!?"

Disappointed to see claims of rigging emanating from NO clergy - sounded so political, just like our dear politicians?

Wendz
#28 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:50:00 AM
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masukuma wrote:
wont most of you be pew warming this sunday or the next?


@masukuma

Pray, what is wrong with any Christian following Rev Njoya or Gitari and his call to pass the new constitution? Arent they men of God or did they stop when they retired? And also other churches that came out and supported the constitution?

And how are those who voted NO more Christians than those who voted YES? What tolerance would we pick from this comment? Or is it a case of self-righteousness?
slammers
#29 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:58:14 AM
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it is our right as the faithful not to make the transition difficult. am happy that some of them have accepted defeat and are asking for our prayers during this trying times
AmHere
#30 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:07:12 PM
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1 Samuel 8

" 6 But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD.
7 And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.
8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you.
9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

I am not saying that the people who voted Yes are necessarily wrong or evil. Just responding to your question that the voice of the people is not always the voice of the Christian's God.
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