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mBiaLoss
#461 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:41:23 AM
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shauriyako wrote:
We need the fluctuations to make money in the market......buying opportunity would already be with us.


I agree, I have an order placed @9.30, and will have some money in a few days to buy like 7000 shares....I want the price to come down, even below 9....I can then buy and wait...for a few months if possible..or years if need be...I dont see loosing out.....Let the bad news keep flowing


As an investor I behave like a tick, patiently waiting on grass and larch onto the first cow that shows up. As an investor I dont behave like a tick...I jump off the the cow as soon as am fully engorged before it dies...
VituVingiSana
#462 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:55:45 AM
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BGL wrote:
KPRL is a private company owned 50/50 by Essar and GOK and has to make profit just as KK wants to make profits.
You forgot to mention that NO Oil Marketer willingly uses KPRL but is FORCED to do so. KPRL is inefficient & wasteful. Only reason KPRL 'survives' is coz it is NOT run as a 'private' firm but a monopoly.

BTW, 50% of imports are non-crude coz KPRL can't process Kenya's needs.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#463 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:59:15 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
@BGL, I quite agree with your points, but the fact that all other marketers are paying the new fee doesn't make it right/legal.

I think Segman has made his point, and what he needs to do is pay to the court the amounts demanded (for custody) in order to get the licenses back, then continue on the crusade with the arbitrator.

Inefficient or not, one cant argue that 1999 prices are still reasonable, under my rules of logic.
I disagree. Since 1999, new more efficient refineries have been built. Look at many items manufactured, they are 'cheaper' in real terms because of manufacturing efficiencies.

Just look at the phones. You can get a Telkom Landline Phone for 2,000/-. Same thing was 13,000/- in 2007.

BTW, KenolKobil seems to be of the position, give us more White Oils & we will pay you more...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#464 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:02:06 AM
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When KK took on KPC... folks said.. ati what?
Well, KK got a huge award (being appealed) but who knows... KK might end up 'owning' a chunk of KPC...!

I will continue buying KK... coz the downside is minimal... [they pay off the 465mn or so]... but if they WIN then they could get upto 4.6bn from KPRL...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Surealligator
#465 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:49:37 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
When KK took on KPC... folks said.. ati what?
Well, KK got a huge award (being appealed) but who knows... KK might end up 'owning' a chunk of KPC...!

I will continue buying KK... coz the downside is minimal... [they pay off the 465mn or so]... but if they WIN then they could get upto 4.6bn from KPRL...


@Vituz

This one I don't agree with you. I never throw good money at bad money. You should be removing your already bad money in KK and move on to something more interesting.

If you go to page ten of this thread, you will see where I said something about an individual being the Chairman and CEO at the same time.

By giving an individual two huts at the same time, pride gets into his rear end and by the time he knows, everybody has screwed that rear end to high heavens. If you are with the ChairCEO, you get a bit of the screwing. Run before the more serious and real screwing starts.

Its like Moi, power had gotten into his rear end so much he thought we could not do without him. Imagine the guy claiming that one day, we will cry, "MOI MUST COME". That cockerel is so senile it cannot COME anymore but thinks we can't do without it.

Segman is now behaving like Moi. If all the other 40 Oil dealers paid the cash KK refused to pay, something must be a miss with KK. Their claim of losing business due to KPRC blah blah cannot hold water.

Lakini, Ngojea tu, cauze you are Vitu mob sana.

I ate a bad rat today, so Vituz, sorry if I rub you the wrong way.
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
qw25041985
#466 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:07:35 PM
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@sure. Very entertainin. But i read so much " screwin "there until i startd doubtin the direction of the post !!
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
PKoli
#467 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:08:27 PM
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@Surealligator,

I do not look at the oil industries much, since I get scared with too many variables that affect the bottomline. From the crude oil prices, shipping issues (such as piracy) and the entire supply chain until the oil reaches the end user. I would like understand the efficiencies of different oil companies and their competitiveness. I may possibly go for total (they pay good dividends when they make profit). KK might just want to acquire more assets and more assets and give nothing to shareholders. unless you want to wait for 20 years.
youcan'tstopusnow
#468 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:04:08 PM
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Surealligator wrote:
Its like Moi, power had gotten into his rear end so much he thought we could not do without him. Imagine the guy claiming that one day, we will cry, "MOI MUST COME". That cockerel is so senile it cannot COME anymore but thinks we can't do without it.

Haaaaahaaaaaa! Comment of the day! Magigi should see this
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
VituVingiSana
#469 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:03:35 PM
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LOL... People... I have FAITH in KK...

I am going to buy more tomorrow... I wish the price had dropped to 9/- lakini not my luck!

I am telling you guys & gals... Maybe 1-2 years... KK will triumph... The only 'problem' I see is the political problem coz kiraitu murungi must have been told to keep his dirty hands off... and is pissed!

BTW, you do know Triton was backed by the corrupt guys in MoE so when KK blew the lid off there are some angry people there...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
cnn
#470 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:01:42 PM
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Joined: 6/17/2009
Posts: 1,627
i have calculated a forward EPS of 1.6,a PER of 6.25 at current prices .All KK haters,there is your answer.
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