http://www.youtube.com/w...?v=knv15hwQXAU&NR=1

see how kenyans are spoilt... after the speeches, they run for 'hand-outs' from the waheshimiwas...

@masukuma while I would like to agree with you that he has been consistent, I would prefer to hear what bwana Ruto has to say.

my point is be wary of politicians. They say a lot of things they mean and do not mean. Both yes and no. Rather than hearing your version of what he meant,

I think the "now public" video explains his point on why the counties are bad, how the land issue is bad and other things that Mheshimiwa Ruto has to talk about.

I agree with him wholeheartedly on this video.

It was nice being on wazua, just vote wisely.

things will change for the worse...you people will continue carrying the load of a bloated government [thin executive + judiciary + extra fat legislature + all those commissions without caps in numbers or tenures]. I have for the last couple of months stopped paying direct PAYE taxes (as from July 2009). my salo is now GROSS=NETT. Nyinyi mutalipia hao...shauri yenu.

[quote=Seeders]i am less concerned about ruto's flip flopping because his personal reasons are known. politics, land.

but other than ruto, some of the people in the no camp do have a point - If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drumbeat. —Henry David Thoreau

my biggest fear is with the 80% in yes comprised of bloody murderers, rapist financiers, anglofleecing alumni and goldenberg geezers who are now 'champions of change and proreform'. when did the transformational baptism take place because i think i missed it?


@seeders
I think those described there would be less than 1% at the very most of the YES group (That would make 50,000 people of a very conservative 5m voters). What is your take when people like rev. njoya, pal ghai, manu chandaria, wangari maathai, p lumumba, prof. nzomo, majority of the private sector bigwits and like minded people who are not politicians, have never been held with any corruption charges or known to advocate any issues that are not for the good of this country and they stand with this constitution and say it is good for kenyans. what do you think about them? Do you think they are also lying or have hidden agendas like the politicians?

@Fundaah...watanitafuta wanikose!!! Mutalipia hizo costs zote above peke yenu!!! Shauri Yenu!

A man goes to see a doctor because he is not feeling well. After a thorough consultation and numerous tests, the doctor prescribes a course of treatment and hands a prescription over to the man.

On the way to the chemist, the man alters the prescription although he is not a medical expert. On handing over the prescription to the pharmacist, the chemist notes the alterations and corrects them. He then hands over the prescribed medication to the man who promptly refuses to take the medicine.

Question is, if the man knew what he wanted, why did he hire the services of a doctor in the first place? Was it to give legitimacy to the altered prescription?

same argument could be used by the no camp. moi, ruto and co represent less than 0.1% of the people voting no. with due respect to your list:
----dont mistake a person's visibility as a gauge of their patriotism. you probably know many maumau heroes that went to the grave penniless and unknown despite being on the front line. and dont get me started on the 'private sector big wigs'
----because you were right on one thing does not make you eternally infallible. i may respect what njoya did but i am not bound to agree with his positions for life.

in the no camp are good people too who have paid a personal price and been selfless for the country - just that they did not make it to the headlines of your daily nation.

that is why i dont understand:

----the dogmatic pontification from people voting yes that anyone who criticizes a spelling, word or dot on the draft is a landgrabber or a religious nut. take a quick poll of the 220 thieves and see where that god-forsaken crowd leans. let me know if you arrive at less than 80%. the dark black pot calling the grey kettle black...

----the amusing statements i repeatedly see here that the new constitution is the end-all of mps salaries, corruption, violence, extrajudicial killing, post poll violence, tribalism or even rape. yes, the constitution is changing. but it is being spearheaded by the people who abused the old one. i really want to see this 'change we can believe in' that everyone is so excited about.

i just dont see it happening.

Forgive my ignorance. What exactly do people mean when they say "pesa itatoka Nairobi ikuje hapa mashinani." This appears to be one of the biggest selling points of the draft by the "Yes" camp.

Somebody please explain to me like am a 2 year old exactly what this means. How is this money that is in Nairobi get there and how is it now being used? How will this money get to Nairobi after the referendum and how will it leave Nairobi for "mashinani" and how differently will it be used assuming Yes wins? What will the money be used for that it is not being used for now? Can Counties levy and collect their own taxes? If so which ones, Income tax, VAT, Property tax etc?

Guys please let Ruto and Moi remain in the NO camp. With the two saying NO, my conscious to voting YES is very clear and affirmed.