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Time to buy Total?
minto64
#11 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 12:15:23 AM
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If you are a speculator....total not a good stock. If you are in it for the dividend then it is the stock to buy.

Th chevron aka caltex acquisitions should begin to generate positive Cf's and earnings this year. All in all a good stock to have in your portfolio.
VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 2:24:45 AM
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the deal wrote:
@ VVS and Mukiha...GoK Should regulate the pump price according to the price of oil/barrel on international markets...they should set up a comitte which meets every month to determine wheather theres over recovery and under recovery in the market and adjust the pump price accordingly...


Therein lies the PROBLEM... You want a political committee to determine prices...

As for your 'over-recovery' & 'under-recover' that is plain NONSENSE... KK cant 'recover' from volume already sold neither is it fair to 'recover' from volumes to be sold!

The 'recovery' method only works if you sell fixed units monthly OR have a single supplier... Makes sense for KPLC not KK/Total...

KK (according to the mgmt) supports this fixed margin move as long as the margins are reasonable... Margins are under pressure with delayed VAT refunds & interest costs...

The most efficient firm will do very well since the 'base' will probably be set for an inefficient firm...

Or the inefficient firms go out of business then you end up with a cartel with much larger players...


Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 2:31:18 AM
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Politics harm markets... coz most politics are bad for business...

A price-setting committee dominated/controlled by politicians will ALWAYS play to the lowest common denominator...

- moi used to race-bait everything. It was always the 'foreigners', UK, USA, Wazungu, Wahindi... never the policies, his sons, biwott, kulei... Do you remember the uneducated kotut? Ama scams like goldenberg?

- ndegwas used influence to buy out insurance firms getting 'favored' forex allocations from CBK...

- waruru kanja & kamotho used to facilitate licenses for imports for a kickback...

Note all the above were cause these 'committees' were CONTROLLED by politicians & their sidekicks! We paid the price by paying 'more' on the black market (under the table) for oil, milk, etc.

I remember my mzee used to go looking for petrol before a safari for work. Had to carry it (very dangerous) in the car. We used to keep jerricans of fuel at home (v. risky) for emergencies.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#14 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 2:43:23 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
the deal wrote:
@ VVS and Mukiha...GoK Should regulate the pump price according to the price of oil/barrel on international markets...they should set up a comitte which meets every month to determine wheather theres over recovery and under recovery in the market and adjust the pump price accordingly...


Therein lies the PROBLEM... You want a political committee to determine prices...

As for your 'over-recovery' & 'under-recover' that is plain NONSENSE... KK cant 'recover' from volume already sold neither is it fair to 'recover' from volumes to be sold!

The 'recovery' method only works if you sell fixed units monthly OR have a single supplier... Makes sense for KPLC not KK/Total...

KK (according to the mgmt) supports this fixed margin move as long as the margins are reasonable... Margins are under pressure with delayed VAT refunds & interest costs...

The most efficient firm will do very well since the 'base' will probably be set for an inefficient firm...

Or the inefficient firms go out of business then you end up with a cartel with much larger players...



@ vvs u are on fire...i hope wazuarians take notice...
minto64
#15 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 4:10:35 AM
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@the deal.....you stirred up the hornest's nest.

@vvs..... well said. The pitfalls of controls given our history.
youcan'tstopusnow
#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:01:51 PM
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the deal wrote:
Total currently trades at a PBV of 0.6,PSR of 0.3,some people on wazua are using Total's recent first Quater results as a benchmark as to how Kenol will perform in 2010...on top of that Total is the number 1 oil company in Kenya and doesnt have legal issues like Kenol...their balance sheet look fat...one red flag it looks as if their paying a loan??? Will 2010 be the year for Total? Will they return to their 2.50 dividend?

Did you go ahead and get some Total or are you waiting for KK at 5 bob?smile I'm interested and i'm weighing my options.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
the deal
#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:22:40 PM
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@youcant no i didnt...the preference shares spooked me out....i went for Ugali instead....
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:29:01 PM
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Total is to KCB what Kenol is to Equity...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:30:24 PM
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How is the cat doing? Did you get a name for him or her yet?;-)
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
the deal
#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:50:43 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
How is the cat doing? Did you get a name for him or her yet?;-)

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
i wish i had kept the cat but the owner came for it...in between have u been down south i.e SA,Botswana,Namibia,Zambia,Angola or Zimbabwe...i noticed most Kenyans just stick in Nairobi thinking its the begining and the end of the world...LOL...
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