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Kenya shilling depreciation against US Dollar
Xymalos
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 11, 2023 9:43:15 PM
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Currently one US dollar ($)is exchanging at 129 Kenya shilling (Kshs). This exchange rate reflects a 30% depreciation of the shilling since the year 2020, when exchange rate was one dollar for 100 shillings.

How further can we expect the shilling to depreciate? or what will ultimately halt this depreciation of the shilling?
D32
#2 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2023 12:19:22 AM
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You can see in the image above that the upward trend started in May 2021 after being around 100. What happened at that time that has caused the price to slide at a consistent rate? It's not going up and down, but linear, and more aggressive towards the end.

We saw the the recent news about buying oil in KES, apparently it will ease the demand for USD.

Your question can be answered only by understanding the exact cause, which I don't know. The CBK governor knows.

I hear China devalues its currency to make is cheaper for international buyers to buy Chinese goods. Don't know what the case is for Kenya, maybe it's because of multiple factors. I suspect it's because we import more that we export, the demand being high for USd creates an opportunity for those who hold it to sell it at a higher price.

A fool-proof method would be to back KES with Gold, like what the BRICKS nations want to do with the currency that they will launch. If KES was gold backed, it would be getting stronger against the dollar, because gold price has been going up and the USD has been depreciating.

USD itself has been depreciating since going off the gold standard, while the fed has been making it worse by printing more. The US gained it's superpower status because the whole world has been using USD for global trade. The US has the printer. They can just digitally create any amount and then any country will accept the USD for goods and services.

Zimbabwe under sanctions launched their own gold coin, IMF told them to get rid of it, because the west knows that any currency that's backed is better that a currency that's printed from thin air.

Gaddafi wanted a gold backed African currency, they took him out.

Africa can have a very strong and stable currency that's inflation-proof, simply by backing it by the diverse minerals and resources that it has.
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2023 10:41:35 AM
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Zimbabwe is a joke.

If Zimbabwe was serious then it would only issue currency backed 100% by gold.

They just play games like they did when they forcibly converted USD/FX into worthless IOUs.
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#4 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2023 10:57:06 AM
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Thanks @ D32. Good analysis.
I remember the US dollar rate a very long time ago, when I first went to the US in 1970, was 7.142.
D32
#5 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2023 12:58:06 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Zimbabwe is a joke.

If Zimbabwe was serious then it would only issue currency backed 100% by gold.

They just play games like they did when they forcibly converted USD/FX into worthless IOUs.



In most cases in Africa, we aid in our own demise.
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D32
#6 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2023 1:01:18 PM
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MatataMingi wrote:
Thanks @ D32. Good analysis.
I remember the US dollar rate a very long time ago, when I first went to the US in 1970, was 7.142.


You're welcome OG.

Must have been great those days with a strong shilling.
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Thornbird
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 19, 2023 4:41:00 PM
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D32 wrote:
MatataMingi wrote:
Thanks @ D32. Good analysis.
I remember the US dollar rate a very long time ago, when I first went to the US in 1970, was 7.142.


You're welcome OG.

Must have been great those days with a strong shilling.



And the shilling was stable then because is stayed at about 7 shillings for a couple of years because even by 1975 /76 when I was first exposed to the notion of exchange rates it was about 7.

https://www.ceicdata.com...change-rate-against-usd

MuchNo
#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 11, 2023 12:22:44 PM
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D32 wrote:


We saw the the recent news about buying oil in KES, apparently it will ease the demand for USD.



Thanks @D32. This one sentence in your response is poignant.

Three months later it emerges that the deal was never for Kenya to buy oil in KES so the pressure on the USD exchange was only being deferred (at best). What's worse is that there are fears that GOK is trying to renegotiate terms on the imminently due repayments on the short-term Saudi and Emirati loans (we entered a 9-month deal to buy directly from them - in USD - at a fixed price, the first payment being due in 6-months, which is about to lapse).

Surely this means that we need to brace ourselves for a disastrous future? To me, when GOK starts negotiating for a variation in terms it means that there will either be a default in the payments, or a bum deal that will be passed on to us, the citizens of this our dear country. Will that new demand for USD not trigger inflation of the kind only seen in the Moi-error (sic)?
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#9 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2023 7:55:29 AM
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MuchNo wrote:
D32 wrote:


We saw the the recent news about buying oil in KES, apparently it will ease the demand for USD.



Thanks @D32. This one sentence in your response is poignant.

Three months later it emerges that the deal was never for Kenya to buy oil in KES so the pressure on the USD exchange was only being deferred (at best). What's worse is that there are fears that GOK is trying to renegotiate terms on the imminently due repayments on the short-term Saudi and Emirati loans (we entered a 9-month deal to buy directly from them - in USD - at a fixed price, the first payment being due in 6-months, which is about to lapse).

Surely this means that we need to brace ourselves for a disastrous future? To me, when GOK starts negotiating for a variation in terms it means that there will either be a default in the payments, or a bum deal that will be passed on to us, the citizens of this our dear country. Will that new demand for USD not trigger inflation of the kind only seen in the Moi-error (sic)?


They could have left the previous arrangement to continue as it was and not interfere
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#10 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2023 11:36:24 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
MuchNo wrote:
D32 wrote:


We saw the the recent news about buying oil in KES, apparently it will ease the demand for USD.



Thanks @D32. This one sentence in your response is poignant.

Three months later it emerges that the deal was never for Kenya to buy oil in KES so the pressure on the USD exchange was only being deferred (at best). What's worse is that there are fears that GOK is trying to renegotiate terms on the imminently due repayments on the short-term Saudi and Emirati loans (we entered a 9-month deal to buy directly from them - in USD - at a fixed price, the first payment being due in 6-months, which is about to lapse).

Surely this means that we need to brace ourselves for a disastrous future? To me, when GOK starts negotiating for a variation in terms it means that there will either be a default in the payments, or a bum deal that will be passed on to us, the citizens of this our dear country. Will that new demand for USD not trigger inflation of the kind only seen in the Moi-error (sic)?


They could have left the previous arrangement to continue as it was and not interfere



How they agreed that this would work still baffles me. Unless there are huge personal interests in the deal.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, July 13, 2023 12:21:56 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
MuchNo wrote:
D32 wrote:


We saw the the recent news about buying oil in KES, apparently it will ease the demand for USD.



Thanks @D32. This one sentence in your response is poignant.

Three months later it emerges that the deal was never for Kenya to buy oil in KES so the pressure on the USD exchange was only being deferred (at best). What's worse is that there are fears that GOK is trying to renegotiate terms on the imminently due repayments on the short-term Saudi and Emirati loans (we entered a 9-month deal to buy directly from them - in USD - at a fixed price, the first payment being due in 6-months, which is about to lapse).

Surely this means that we need to brace ourselves for a disastrous future? To me, when GOK starts negotiating for a variation in terms it means that there will either be a default in the payments, or a bum deal that will be passed on to us, the citizens of this our dear country. Will that new demand for USD not trigger inflation of the kind only seen in the Moi-error (sic)?


They could have left the previous arrangement to continue as it was and not interfere



How they agreed that this would work still baffles me. Unless there are huge personal interests in the deal.



A 'prudent' person would have been buying dollars for the last 6 months. like where did the GoK think dollars will appear magically from? OR what does the 4-month USD import cover dollars for? You'd think by now we would have accumulated a 10-month USD import cover.
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