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dudeitswilliam
#1216 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2020 8:18:20 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 11/7/2018
Posts: 17
Location: Kenya
Nifiche wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
xtina wrote:
gatoho wrote:
Got a text saying will be deposited today but no mention of the rate


They have a terrible communication policy. Shareholders should not have to google or call to find out the rate. No mention of it on their social media pages either.


Just talked to one of their customer service agents, 7%


Thanks for the info @dudeitswilliam. Hebu wacha niende nikawithdraw.

Their poor communication and constant shifting of goalposts has seriously eroded my confidence in this sacco. Anxious


@nifiche @xtina How would you apply this “Fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.” in regards to Unaitas? Deep down inside I still think its a good buy with the hope that it'll become a bank
dudeitswilliam
#1217 Posted : Friday, April 03, 2020 8:29:32 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 11/7/2018
Posts: 17
Location: Kenya
dudeitswilliam wrote:
Nifiche wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
xtina wrote:
gatoho wrote:
Got a text saying will be deposited today but no mention of the rate


They have a terrible communication policy. Shareholders should not have to google or call to find out the rate. No mention of it on their social media pages either.


Just talked to one of their customer service agents, 7%


Thanks for the info @dudeitswilliam. Hebu wacha niende nikawithdraw.

Their poor communication and constant shifting of goalposts has seriously eroded my confidence in this sacco. Anxious


@nifiche @xtina How would you apply this “Fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.” in regards to Unaitas? Deep down inside I still think its a good buy with the hope that it'll become a bank


Of course this is after clear communication of their plans/growth strategy/whether they will increase dividend payments/how they will split the shares once they list on nse(I need info on that) up to 2023. Oh and I was also told that they gave 3% bonus dividend for memebers with savings accounts or sacco deposits. Though they did not clarify whether this is added to the 7% to make it 10% or its 3% of the deposits/savings.
Nifiche
#1218 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:25:21 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 4/8/2019
Posts: 36
dudeitswilliam wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
Nifiche wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
xtina wrote:
gatoho wrote:
Got a text saying will be deposited today but no mention of the rate


They have a terrible communication policy. Shareholders should not have to google or call to find out the rate. No mention of it on their social media pages either.


Just talked to one of their customer service agents, 7%


Thanks for the info @dudeitswilliam. Hebu wacha niende nikawithdraw.

Their poor communication and constant shifting of goalposts has seriously eroded my confidence in this sacco. Anxious


@nifiche @xtina How would you apply this “Fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.” in regards to Unaitas? Deep down inside I still think its a good buy with the hope that it'll become a bank


Of course this is after clear communication of their plans/growth strategy/whether they will increase dividend payments/how they will split the shares once they list on nse(I need info on that) up to 2023. Oh and I was also told that they gave 3% bonus dividend for memebers with savings accounts or sacco deposits. Though they did not clarify whether this is added to the 7% to make it 10% or its 3% of the deposits/savings.


The only thing I know with certainty about UNAITAS is the share price. And even this appears to be arbitrary and disconnected from market dynamics. The management and original shareholders hold all the cards: there's zero communication to investors and no financial reporting that I can find. And it only seems to get worse every year.

Due to the lack of transparency, its impossible to calculate anything else. What is the value? No idea. When can we monetise? No idea. Potential return? No idea. Are others being greedy or fearful on this one? No idea. Should I be greedy or fearful on this one? No idea, but its probably one to avoid like the plague.

Conclusion: I'm equally in the dark. I share your opinion that it may turn out well, but I also think that for the moment putting money in here is a 'funga macho and roll the dice' plan.

If someone it better informed, please enlighten us...
If you think you can you're right; if you think you can't you're right.
dudeitswilliam
#1219 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2020 8:49:11 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 11/7/2018
Posts: 17
Location: Kenya
Nifiche wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
Nifiche wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
xtina wrote:
gatoho wrote:
Got a text saying will be deposited today but no mention of the rate


They have a terrible communication policy. Shareholders should not have to google or call to find out the rate. No mention of it on their social media pages either.


Just talked to one of their customer service agents, 7%


Thanks for the info @dudeitswilliam. Hebu wacha niende nikawithdraw.

Their poor communication and constant shifting of goalposts has seriously eroded my confidence in this sacco. Anxious


@nifiche @xtina How would you apply this “Fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.” in regards to Unaitas? Deep down inside I still think its a good buy with the hope that it'll become a bank


Of course this is after clear communication of their plans/growth strategy/whether they will increase dividend payments/how they will split the shares once they list on nse(I need info on that) up to 2023. Oh and I was also told that they gave 3% bonus dividend for memebers with savings accounts or sacco deposits. Though they did not clarify whether this is added to the 7% to make it 10% or its 3% of the deposits/savings.


The only thing I know with certainty about UNAITAS is the share price. And even this appears to be arbitrary and disconnected from market dynamics. The management and original shareholders hold all the cards: there's zero communication to investors and no financial reporting that I can find. And it only seems to get worse every year.

Due to the lack of transparency, its impossible to calculate anything else. What is the value? No idea. When can we monetise? No idea. Potential return? No idea. Are others being greedy or fearful on this one? No idea. Should I be greedy or fearful on this one? No idea, but its probably one to avoid like the plague.

Conclusion: I'm equally in the dark. I share your opinion that it may turn out well, but I also think that for the moment putting money in here is a 'funga macho and roll the dice' plan.

If someone it better informed, please enlighten us...


True, its currently a 'funga macho and roll dice' situation. It is annoying that even when you visit one of their branches, the customer service does not offer you the information. Isnt there a law stating that this information should be shared with shareholders? Because I'm sure there is something we can do. They cant keep shareholders in the dark and operate like everything is ok.
xtina
#1220 Posted : Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:09:45 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 6/26/2008
Posts: 399
dudeitswilliam wrote:
Nifiche wrote:
dudeitswilliam wrote:
xtina wrote:
gatoho wrote:
Got a text saying will be deposited today but no mention of the rate


They have a terrible communication policy. Shareholders should not have to google or call to find out the rate. No mention of it on their social media pages either.


Just talked to one of their customer service agents, 7%


Thanks for the info @dudeitswilliam. Hebu wacha niende nikawithdraw.

Their poor communication and constant shifting of goalposts has seriously eroded my confidence in this sacco. Anxious


@nifiche @xtina How would you apply this “Fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.” in regards to Unaitas? Deep down inside I still think its a good buy with the hope that it'll become a bank


I like that they try to be innovative, for example, their focus on chamas and SMEs (remember their TV show Unaitas Chamas?). They are trying to be a bank and the moratorium put by CBK slowed them down (not Unaitas' fault however). I also like that their dividends are 'low' therefore sustainable compared to other saccos which give 12%-15% but have rumors of mismanagement; the high dividends are meant to attract more to the slaughterhouse.

That being said, I feel they should really try to be a 'proper' bank and leave behind sacco tendencies. They are not Metropolitan sacco or other those funny saccos. For example, the new CEO is Martin Muhoho but Tony Mwangi has never updated his Linkedin profile that reads he is still CEO. If you google, for a minute you will be confused who really is the CEO. Small stuff but very annoying and tells you a lot about how they run their things. The financial reports are never availed on time and you almost have to beg to get them.

I still have my shares, most of which were from reinvesting the dividends but the last two years nimekula hizo dividends. All my money will go to NSE/other investments until post-2022 as I have more faith there than Unaitas.
Nifiche
#1221 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 1:33:21 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 4/8/2019
Posts: 36
I like that they try to be innovative, for example, their focus on chamas and SMEs (remember their TV show Unaitas Chamas?). They are trying to be a bank and the moratorium put by CBK slowed them down (not Unaitas' fault however). I also like that their dividends are 'low' therefore sustainable compared to other saccos which give 12%-15% but have rumors of mismanagement; the high dividends are meant to attract more to the slaughterhouse.

That being said, I feel they should really try to be a 'proper' bank and leave behind sacco tendencies. They are not Metropolitan sacco or other those funny saccos. For example, the new CEO is Martin Muhoho but Tony Mwangi has never updated his Linkedin profile that reads he is still CEO. If you google, for a minute you will be confused who really is the CEO. Small stuff but very annoying and tells you a lot about how they run their things. The financial reports are never availed on time and you almost have to beg to get them.

I still have my shares, most of which were from reinvesting the dividends but the last two years nimekula hizo dividends. All my money will go to NSE/other investments until post-2022 as I have more faith there than Unaitas.

--

@xtina: I'm missing FY2016 and FY2017 financial reports. Are you in a position to share?
If you think you can you're right; if you think you can't you're right.
target1360
#1222 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:41:39 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/14/2014
Posts: 289
Location: nairobi
It is important for unaitas to offer more transparency.
How will we know whether the business is doing well or not.
They could easily pay dividends from sale of unlimited shares?
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
xtina
#1223 Posted : Thursday, April 09, 2020 8:44:54 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 6/26/2008
Posts: 399
Nifiche wrote:
I like that they try to be innovative, for example, their focus on chamas and SMEs (remember their TV show Unaitas Chamas?). They are trying to be a bank and the moratorium put by CBK slowed them down (not Unaitas' fault however). I also like that their dividends are 'low' therefore sustainable compared to other saccos which give 12%-15% but have rumors of mismanagement; the high dividends are meant to attract more to the slaughterhouse.

That being said, I feel they should really try to be a 'proper' bank and leave behind sacco tendencies. They are not Metropolitan sacco or other those funny saccos. For example, the new CEO is Martin Muhoho but Tony Mwangi has never updated his Linkedin profile that reads he is still CEO. If you google, for a minute you will be confused who really is the CEO. Small stuff but very annoying and tells you a lot about how they run their things. The financial reports are never availed on time and you almost have to beg to get them.

I still have my shares, most of which were from reinvesting the dividends but the last two years nimekula hizo dividends. All my money will go to NSE/other investments until post-2022 as I have more faith there than Unaitas.

--

@xtina: I'm missing FY2016 and FY2017 financial reports. Are you in a position to share?


Unfortunately due to quarantine manenos I'm stuck somewhere without access to my personal laptop but I do have them, all the way from 2014. But you can try requesting from the physical branch's customer care or email them (which is a completely ridiculous way of getting financial statements).
kimanimsc
#1224 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:07:47 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/4/2015
Posts: 241
Location: Kahno
Unaitas shares on offer at discounted price. Looking to offload 20k units (smaller lots acceptable to) and if in need of more I can supply.
email: kihumbuini(at)gmail(dot)com
winmak
#1225 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:26:54 AM
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Joined: 12/1/2007
Posts: 539
Location: Nakuru
kimanimsc wrote:
Unaitas shares on offer at discounted price. Looking to offload 20k units (smaller lots acceptable to) and if in need of more I can supply.
email: kihumbuini(at)gmail(dot)com


Why are you selling?
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
kimanimsc
#1226 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:22:17 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/4/2015
Posts: 241
Location: Kahno
winmak wrote:
kimanimsc wrote:
Unaitas shares on offer at discounted price. Looking to offload 20k units (smaller lots acceptable to) and if in need of more I can supply.
email: kihumbuini(at)gmail(dot)com


Why are you selling?



I just need some cash to complete a project. This is basically offloading dividend that I have been reinvesting since 2014. I will still remain with quite a good amount of shares.
enyands
#1227 Posted : Friday, May 15, 2020 2:39:16 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
xtina wrote:
Nifiche wrote:
I like that they try to be innovative, for example, their focus on chamas and SMEs (remember their TV show Unaitas Chamas?). They are trying to be a bank and the moratorium put by CBK slowed them down (not Unaitas' fault however). I also like that their dividends are 'low' therefore sustainable compared to other saccos which give 12%-15% but have rumors of mismanagement; the high dividends are meant to attract more to the slaughterhouse.

That being said, I feel they should really try to be a 'proper' bank and leave behind sacco tendencies. They are not Metropolitan sacco or other those funny saccos. For example, the new CEO is Martin Muhoho but Tony Mwangi has never updated his Linkedin profile that reads he is still CEO. If you google, for a minute you will be confused who really is the CEO. Small stuff but very annoying and tells you a lot about how they run their things. The financial reports are never availed on time and you almost have to beg to get them.

I still have my shares, most of which were from reinvesting the dividends but the last two years nimekula hizo dividends. All my money will go to NSE/other investments until post-2022 as I have more faith there than Unaitas.

--

@xtina: I'm missing FY2016 and FY2017 financial reports. Are you in a position to share?


Unfortunately due to quarantine manenos I'm stuck somewhere without access to my personal laptop but I do have them, all the way from 2014. But you can try requesting from the physical branch's customer care or email them (which is a completely ridiculous way of getting financial statements).


Kindly can you send it all to me at bmuks2001-at-yahoo-dot-com
Moorings
#1228 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:15:41 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 1/3/2011
Posts: 67
Location: nairobi
Greetings! On another note, has anyone dealt with UNAITAS? How would you rate them as regarding taking a development/construction loan from them as compared to a bank?
Thanks!
Sir invest
#1229 Posted : Thursday, February 18, 2021 12:21:01 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/19/2015
Posts: 125
UNAITAS................Any information about AGM 2021??
Sir invest
#1230 Posted : Tuesday, March 23, 2021 9:11:15 AM
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Joined: 8/19/2015
Posts: 125
2021 Dividends loading.........
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