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Devolution Revenue Sharing Formula
radiomast
#191 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2020 11:11:58 PM
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murchr wrote:




What you are talking about already exists. There's nothing new. As to why Waititu is giving contracts to his daughter..who told you anything would stop a thief? That contract was not awarded to a girl called Waititu's daughter but Waititu's daughter hiding under some curtain, a very sophisticated company with experience, it took investigations to unravel who the directors are.

You need to deal with the morality of the country first, nothing can stop a Kenyan thief

http://kenyalaw.org:8181/exist/kenyalex/actview.xql?actid=No.%2034%20of%202015


What you are saying is NOT the truth. There was nothing sophisticated about what Waititu did. All he did was award tenders to companies called Suwanga Ltd and another called Modiba Ltd. The companys are registered in his daughter's name and his wife's name. The companies were created after he was elected. There is nothing sophisticated about that. In fact no complex investigation was even needed. A standard 6 pupil can see this fraud.

For example, Suwanga was paid ksh 2.3 million to supply tyres for two cars. Do you really think this kind of fraud is sophisticated enough to require an expensive investigation?

This is the kind of thing that can be prevented if Waititu was required to create a basic proposal document. You are just being difficult and peddling inaccurate info. Waititu can never be accused of being sophisticated.

Saying that nothing can stop a thief is precisely why we are a sheet-hole country. Every country has thieves. What stops them is the creation of structures and institutions.
radiomast
#192 Posted : Wednesday, September 02, 2020 11:36:48 PM
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For the life of me I can't understand the concept of "tendering". I wish someone would explain it to me.

When a person wants to buy tyres, they go directly to a tyre dealer like Kingsway.

But when a county wants to buy tyres , they must give the tender to an individual to supply the tyres. Basically a middleman must be introduced.

Why can't the county just buy directly from an established dealer who can even give a quantity discount?

To me tendering is just an avenue to allow thievery. How is it possible that 60 years after independence we can't figure out that we don't need middlemen ? Some like Murchr even says that these tender thieves can't be stopped eti they are too sophisticated. I don't get it. Someone please explain. I might be missing something.
murchr
#193 Posted : Thursday, September 03, 2020 12:18:06 AM
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radiomast wrote:
murchr wrote:




What you are talking about already exists. There's nothing new. As to why Waititu is giving contracts to his daughter..who told you anything would stop a thief? That contract was not awarded to a girl called Waititu's daughter but Waititu's daughter hiding under some curtain, a very sophisticated company with experience, it took investigations to unravel who the directors are.

You need to deal with the morality of the country first, nothing can stop a Kenyan thief

http://kenyalaw.org:8181/exist/kenyalex/actview.xql?actid=No.%2034%20of%202015


What you are saying is NOT the truth. There was nothing sophisticated about what Waititu did. All he did was award tenders to companies called Suwanga Ltd and another called Modiba Ltd. The companys are registered in his daughter's name and his wife's name. The companies were created after he was elected. There is nothing sophisticated about that. In fact no complex investigation was even needed. A standard 6 pupil can see this fraud.

For example, Suwanga was paid ksh 2.3 million to supply tyres for two cars. Do you really think this kind of fraud is sophisticated enough to require an expensive investigation?

This is the kind of thing that can be prevented if Waititu was required to create a basic proposal document. You are just being difficult and peddling inaccurate info. Waititu can never be accused of being sophisticated.

Saying that nothing can stop a thief is precisely why we are a sheet-hole country. Every country has thieves. What stops them is the creation of structures and institutions.


Are you not seeing it that nothing stops a thief from stealing. Not laws - they will break them, not boards, they bribe them. It just has to do with the morality of the society.

Uhuru gave a presidential directive stating that all tenders won should be published with the names of directors listed nani anamskiza? Even some days ago he repeated this and its almost like a joke now.

For why tenders read chapter 12 - Part 6 Control of public money- 225 - 226 - 227 of the constitution.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sqft
#194 Posted : Thursday, September 03, 2020 3:09:54 PM
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Mt Kenya has really been marginalised.

https://www.the-star.co....-utilising-sh92bn-fund/

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Treasury revealed that counties have received Sh2.03 trillion since devolution kicked off seven years ago.

Nairobi has received the largest at Sh94 billion followed by Turkana (Sh72 billion); Kakamega (Sh69 billion); Nakuru (Sh66 billion); Mandera (Sh65 billion); Kiambu (Sh65 billion); and Kilifi (Sh62 billion).

Counties which have received over Sh50 billion are Bungoma (Sh59 billion); Kitui (Sh56 billion); Kisii (Sh54.7 billion); Machakos (Sh54 billion); Meru (Sh54 billion); and Wajir (Sh53.9 billion).

Mombasa county has so far received Sh48 billion; Kisumu (Sh47 billion); Makueni (Sh46.4 billion); Garissa (Sh46.2 billion); Migori (Sh44.7 billion); Kwale (Sh44.02 billion); Homa Bay (Sh42.9 billion); Marsabit (Sh41.3 billion); Busia (Sh40.2 billion); Uasin Gishu (Sh40.2 billion).

Trans Nzoia county has for the last seven years received Sh38.4 billion; Siaya (Sh37.9 billion); Bomet (Sh36.1 billion); Kajiado (Sh36.9 billion); Nyeri (Sh36.7 billion); Nandi (Sh35.6 billion); Kericho (Sh35.3 billion); Baringo (Sh33 billion); Tana River (Sh32.9 billion); Nyandarua (Sh32.8 billion); West Pokot (Sh32.4 billion); Embu (Sh30.9 billion); and Vihiga (Sh30 billion).

Counties whose cumulative disbursement are below Sh30 billion are Kirinyaga (Sh27.8 billion); Laikipia (Sh27.5 billion); Samburu (Sh27.6 billion); Taita Taveta (Sh26.1 billion); Elgeyo Marakwet (Sh25.2 billion); Isiolo (Sh24.7 billion); and Tharaka Nithi (Sh24.4 billion).
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
radiomast
#195 Posted : Thursday, September 03, 2020 6:45:13 PM
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murchr wrote:



Are you not seeing it that nothing stops a thief from stealing. Not laws - they will break them, not boards, they bribe them. It just has to do with the morality of the society.

Uhuru gave a presidential directive stating that all tenders won should be published with the names of directors listed nani anamskiza? Even some days ago he repeated this and its almost like a joke now.

For why tenders read chapter 12 - Part 6 Control of public money- 225 - 226 - 227 of the constitution.


Kenya is not unique. Every country has thieves. In fact other countries have thieves who are much more sophisticated than our politicians.

The difference is that other countries created structures, procedures and institutions to reduce corruption. Some like the UK started 500 years ago.

You cannot completely eradicate corruption. You can REDUCE IT. You do this by creating structures, institutions and procedures.

An independent board will reduce corruption. As you saw in the last election, Justice Maraga did not succumb to threats or bribery from the candidates. He did the right thing because he has some Independence.

As you can see, the private sector has much less corruption because big companies have structures in place to reduce corruption.

As for tenders, the solution is simple. We don't need tenders. Just eliminate the tender process and ask counties to buy directly from reputable established firms.

This is all simple stuff that a primary school kid can envision. We have to start somewhere. If we just give up as you are suggesting then Africa is doomed to remain the laughing stock of the world forever.
murchr
#196 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2020 12:06:51 AM
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radiomast wrote:
murchr wrote:



Are you not seeing it that nothing stops a thief from stealing. Not laws - they will break them, not boards, they bribe them. It just has to do with the morality of the society.

Uhuru gave a presidential directive stating that all tenders won should be published with the names of directors listed nani anamskiza? Even some days ago he repeated this and its almost like a joke now.

For why tenders read chapter 12 - Part 6 Control of public money- 225 - 226 - 227 of the constitution.


Kenya is not unique. Every country has thieves. In fact other countries have thieves who are much more sophisticated than our politicians.

The difference is that other countries created structures, procedures and institutions to reduce corruption. Some like the UK started 500 years ago.

You cannot completely eradicate corruption. You can REDUCE IT. You do this by creating structures, institutions and procedures.

An independent board will reduce corruption. As you saw in the last election, Justice Maraga did not succumb to threats or bribery from the candidates. He did the right thing because he has some Independence.

As you can see, the private sector has much less corruption because big companies have structures in place to reduce corruption.

As for tenders, the solution is simple. We don't need tenders. Just eliminate the tender process and ask counties to buy directly from reputable established firms.

This is all simple stuff that a primary school kid can envision. We have to start somewhere. If we just give up as you are suggesting then Africa is doomed to remain the laughing stock of the world forever.



where will this independent board fall down from?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kmucheke
#197 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2020 5:00:18 PM
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MPs prevent shutdown of counties with cash sharing deal
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Senators have agreed on a new formula to guide the sharing of revenue among counties from next year, ending the impasse that had blocked the release of funds to the devolved units and saw governors threaten service shutdowns.

The lawmakers last evening unanimously voted to retain the old formula that has been used for the last five years, meaning each of the 47 counties will receive the same amount it did in the year to June.

Those who support the amended formula, which is to be applied from next July, say it will ensure a more equitable distribution of budget funds among the counties.
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