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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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How much devastation can a family handle? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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masukuma wrote:
How much devastation can a family handle?
This is sad. Could there be more than we can see?Ok I dont believe in those manenos but this situation does shake ones belief. Or the family is being used to bring out the COVID reality and what it can do to mankind. May the family be comforted. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain
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Bigchick wrote:Lolest! wrote:Queen wrote:masukuma wrote:Bigchick wrote:When is the peak coming?
Amoth had told us by Sept we would be counting how many deaths per day?
I thank God this far we have come and am convinced it will not get worse than this.
Numbers will continue to grow because of more tests and deaths will be within the normal curve I think we are there... the positivity hit rate (number of cases/sample size) has been dropping over the last 2 weeks. cautiously optimistic. Am told the reason the numbers appear to be going down is largely because the bulk of the results we have been seeing lately are from civil servants' mass testing. So yes, the results we are seeing are from the "wrong sample group" and are therefore misleading. Likely to be true One of the parastatals had mass testing after a few cases. Some lady family friend tested positive. My questions is..... Does this imply civil servants are not gerring it.Or COVID is for jus kali guys? Look at the bigger picture mummy. If, say, you want to do a research on HIV/AIDS prevalence in Kenya, then you go out and target only one group of Kenyans, e.g prostitutes, will your sample group be said to be a representative of kenyans? Will your results be valid as a correct status of the pandemic? A more representative sample can only be derived by targeting different demographics. In other words, any tests that targets only one institution, in this case civil servants, can only give an indication of prevalence of Covid amongst civil servants not amongst ALL kenyans. Statistics should never be analysed without taking a cursory look at the sample.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/9/2009 Posts: 85
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Coronavirus: Youthful Pakistan appears to avoid worst of pandemic"Dr Asghar told the BBC that less than 4% of Pakistan's population is aged 65 and above, whereas in more developed countries the proportion is around 20-25%. "That is why we haven't seen that many deaths in Pakistan," he said."
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/15/2018 Posts: 428
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There is no fear of Covid in TZ. No social distancing, no masks, stadiums full, school is back ..... Yet hospitals are not overwhelmed. Iko nini hapo TZ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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radiomast wrote:There is no fear of Covid in TZ. No social distancing, no masks, stadiums full, school is back ..... Yet hospitals are not overwhelmed. Iko nini hapo TZ?
I have been to tz severely now. Without using conventional ways of registering at the border . For that reason I have not ventured deep inside but last week I entered through namanga , arusha , moshi and in five days I was back here through holili then taveta. When there it felt like another world. Even in those border towns it felt like what you see in those cold war era documentaries the devide between the east and the west. The happy west and the opressed east. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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mpobiz wrote:radiomast wrote:There is no fear of Covid in TZ. No social distancing, no masks, stadiums full, school is back ..... Yet hospitals are not overwhelmed. Iko nini hapo TZ?
I have been to tz severely now. Without using conventional ways of registering at the border . For that reason I have not ventured deep inside but last week I entered through namanga , arusha , moshi and in five days I was back here through holili then taveta. When there it felt like another world. Even in those border towns it felt like what you see in those cold war era documentaries the devide between the east and the west. The happy west and the opressed east. Why are TZ hospitals not full? Why are most isolation centers in the counties empty? Did we lose the plot on Corona or did the virus lose its virulence? I was free for 6 months,now I have to endure countless temperature checks and wear funny masks Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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kaka2za wrote:mpobiz wrote:radiomast wrote:There is no fear of Covid in TZ. No social distancing, no masks, stadiums full, school is back ..... Yet hospitals are not overwhelmed. Iko nini hapo TZ?
I have been to tz severely now. Without using conventional ways of registering at the border . For that reason I have not ventured deep inside but last week I entered through namanga , arusha , moshi and in five days I was back here through holili then taveta. When there it felt like another world. Even in those border towns it felt like what you see in those cold war era documentaries the devide between the east and the west. The happy west and the opressed east. Why are TZ hospitals not full? Why are most isolation centers in the counties empty? Did we lose the plot on Corona or did the virus lose its virulence? I was free for 6 months,now I have to endure countless temperature checks and wear funny masks There were some MOH officials who knew the patterns of this infection in black Africa but took upon themselves to scare our president into locking up this country so that they could steal money. The president relied on this professionals who have turned to be hyenas. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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mpobiz wrote:kaka2za wrote:mpobiz wrote:radiomast wrote:There is no fear of Covid in TZ. No social distancing, no masks, stadiums full, school is back ..... Yet hospitals are not overwhelmed. Iko nini hapo TZ?
I have been to tz severely now. Without using conventional ways of registering at the border . For that reason I have not ventured deep inside but last week I entered through namanga , arusha , moshi and in five days I was back here through holili then taveta. When there it felt like another world. Even in those border towns it felt like what you see in those cold war era documentaries the devide between the east and the west. The happy west and the opressed east. Why are TZ hospitals not full? Why are most isolation centers in the counties empty? Did we lose the plot on Corona or did the virus lose its virulence? I was free for 6 months,now I have to endure countless temperature checks and wear funny masks There were some MOH officials who knew the patterns of this infection in black Africa but took upon themselves to scare our president into locking up this country so that they could steal money. The president relied on this professionals who have turned to be hyenas. And funny enough Covid tests are FREE in most African countries but costs up to 10K in Kenya! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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 Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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A South African news blog examines Covid-19 myths with respect to SA but I think they can be applied here in Kenya as well. The link is here for further reading. I have highlighted the main points below. Quote:In South Africa, he concludes, the real plague proved not viral but human: the corruption of a ruling party which for too long has operated like an organised criminal conspiracy. The ten great myths of Covid-19 2020 By Brian Pottinger
- The first myth is that the Covid-19 is so virulent that we had to close down the world. The initial modeled Case Fatality Rate, a measure of the severity of an outbreak, has been in free fall since initial estimates derived from China put it at 5.7 per cent.
- The second myth is that the academic epidemiological modelers, masters of the “science” we were all supposed to follow, knew what they were doing. They did not have a clue.
- The third myth is that public health services would be overwhelmed by the flood of Covid-19 cases. Apart from Covid-19’s point of first European landfall in Bergamo, Italy, no overwhelming of services has occurred in Asia, Europe, the United Kingdom or the United States. Emergency hospitals erected at enormous cost have been dismantled without admitting a single patient. We are on track for the same here.
- The fourth myth is that Covid-19 patients were in urgent need of massive intubation and ventilation. The European, British and American experiences soon revealed the opposite: intubation was the worst thing for elderly or very sick people who are overwhelmingly the victims of the virus.
- The fifth myth, the biggest, is that the WHO’s “confirmed” case and fatality numbers are indeed confirmed. The WHO and some of its associated data collection agencies have constantly expanded symptom definitions and short-cut established verification processes, thus fatally blurring the lines between those who died from Covid-19 and those with it and even creating uncertainty about whether some ever had it.
- The sixth myth is that the government, healthcare professionals and scientific academic epidemiologists should be forgiven their errors because they were dealing with a “novel” virus and were correct to over-react. All they had to do was read recent history.
- The seventh myth of Covid-19 is that governments had no option but to enforce national lock-downs. Early on it was known the virus spread by cluster infections. Agile, organised and disciplined countries like China, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan understood this and acted effectively to contain localised outbreaks. China quashed the outbreak in two months with fewer than 5 000 fatalities by quarantining less than 0.8% of its population.
- The eighth myth is that all of this was to “save lives”. Perhaps, but the number is unknowable. What is known is that the denial of medical services to the public, the delaying of critical procedures and the withdrawal of a needlessly terrified public from engaging the health services at all has created a long tail collateral death toll which will exceed the real Covid-19 death roll.
- The ninth myth was that Covid-19 was a “killer event” to equal others. The Black Death of 1348 claimed one third of the world’s population. World War One took 1.2 per cent. World War Two three per cent; the Spanish Flu of 1918 one to three per cent, the Asian Flu of 1957/8 0.03% and the Hong Kong Flu of 1968/9 0.10%. Covid-19, as of end July, stood at 0.009%.
- Finally, the tenth myth, was that our President, cabinet and ruling party would wisely, rationally and effectively use the total powers thrust into their hands by a trusting public and media.
The author is not an epidemiologist or health professional for that matter, but he does raise serious issues on the covid response that need to be looked into and debated without bias. For example; the role and effects of corruption on covid procurement policies, was the lock-down necessary based on what we know now, were other serious health ailments relegated and Covid-19 given more preference, did the public trust the GoK officials too much without questioning ...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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193 positive cases out of 3381 samples 5.7% positivity rate Jana it was sub 6% too
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
You can actually ignore all that ‘positivity’ kizungu mingi. The number that really maters is mortality rate, which floats around 1.5%, of the total positive sample. Compare this to Malaria, 5.1% death rate, out of an annual total of over a million positive cases. We have either been coned or our government is incompetent and corrupt, or both. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
was 5.9% - its looking better. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
You can actually ignore all that ‘positivity’ kizungu mingi. The number that really maters is mortality rate, which floats around 1.5%, of the total positive sample. Compare this to Malaria, 5.1% death rate, out of an annual total of over a million positive cases. We have either been coned or our government is incompetent and corrupt, or both. Quote:There are two ways to have the tallest building in town. One is to tear everyone else's building down & the other is to build your building taller. Instead of stepping up the attention given to Malaria, you are proposing that you reduce the attention given to Covid? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
was 5.9% - its looking better. Of interest to note is it's been very cold and the numbers are dropping, also thos is after the covid heist announcement "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
was 5.9% - its looking better. Of interest to note is it's been very cold and the numbers are dropping, also thos is after the covid heist announcement Lets be honest,in the month of July when the numbers were beginning to look bad you heard of people you know who got it.Not in the media but friends and relatives and friends of friends.Since 2 weeks ago,I have not heard of one I know.To me this is an indicator this thing is on its way out.We are also not hearing the scary stories of people collapsing on the streets. Something else is they are now doing target testing and not mass testing which could give flawed results as explained earlier. All in all things are looking better. For those who want to connect it with the expose......well you are free. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Bigchick wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
was 5.9% - its looking better. Of interest to note is it's been very cold and the numbers are dropping, also thos is after the covid heist announcement Lets be honest,in the month of July when the numbers were beginning to look bad you heard of people you know who got it.Not in the media but friends and relatives and friends of friends.Since 2 weeks ago,I have not heard of one I know.To me this is an indicator this thing is on its way out.We are also not hearing the scary stories of people collapsing on the streets. Something else is they are now doing target testing and not mass testing which could give flawed results as explained earlier. All in all things are looking better. For those who want to connect it with the expose......well you are free. yes - some of us compute the positivity rate daily and we can tell you that there was a time it was 20%. Was actually expecting it to hit 1000 cases and then it slowly decreased after the effects of the bars were closing were felt and that time Papa died. People took it seriously and the postivity rate has been going down steadily. remember I wrote that I was cautiously optimistic? then we were told that GoK people were being tested and that's why the numbers were lower? but it never resurged. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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masukuma wrote:Bigchick wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:193 positive cases out of 3381 samples
5.7% positivity rate
Jana it was sub 6% too
was 5.9% - its looking better. Of interest to note is it's been very cold and the numbers are dropping, also thos is after the covid heist announcement Lets be honest,in the month of July when the numbers were beginning to look bad you heard of people you know who got it.Not in the media but friends and relatives and friends of friends.Since 2 weeks ago,I have not heard of one I know.To me this is an indicator this thing is on its way out.We are also not hearing the scary stories of people collapsing on the streets. Something else is they are now doing target testing and not mass testing which could give flawed results as explained earlier. All in all things are looking better. For those who want to connect it with the expose......well you are free. yes - some of us compute the positivity rate daily and we can tell you that there was a time it was 20%. Was actually expecting it to hit 1000 cases and then it slowly decreased after the effects of the bars were closing were felt and that time Papa died. People took it seriously and the postivity rate has been going down steadily. remember I wrote that I was cautiously optimistic? then we were told that GoK people were being tested and that's why the numbers were lower? but it never resurged. Apologise to us who told you very early that this thing was going nowhere. Also go back in these thread and delete your useless mathematics. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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