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murchr
#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:28:17 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Queen wrote:
Uram wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless.
Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika.
The duo never lost a motion.


The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time.

Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one.



All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Uram
#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:45:07 PM
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Joined: 10/24/2013
Posts: 455
Location: Nairobi
Queen wrote:
Uram wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless.
Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika.
The duo never lost a motion.


The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time.

Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one.


Point of correction- Luo Nyanza Senators sided with Kang'ata. Murkomen, Sakaja, Kindiki, Sam Ongeri and Nyamira Senator surprisingly voted against the motion.
Gathige
#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:58:46 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
Uram wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless.
Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika.
The duo never lost a motion.


Threats are a pointer for lack of substance. It's sad senators cannot debate soberly without looking over their shoulders. A debate held six times without an amicable settlement shows how indecisive these characters are.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Queen
#34 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:42:59 PM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 564
Location: Britain
murchr wrote:
Queen wrote:
Uram wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless.
Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika.
The duo never lost a motion.


The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time.

Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one.



All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure


Agreed. Politics is also involved whenever guys get ejected from the presidential dias.
murchr
#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:10:41 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Queen wrote:
murchr wrote:
Queen wrote:
Uram wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless.
Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika.
The duo never lost a motion.


The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time.

Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one.



All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure


Agreed. Politics is also involved whenever guys get ejected from the presidential dias.


Its all politics. You eat the bread that is buttered, it was stupid for UK to think the handcheque was a blank cheque for him also Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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madollar
#36 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:10:18 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 2,040
Location: GA
murchr wrote:
Queen wrote:
murchr wrote:
Queen wrote:
Uram wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless.
Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika.
The duo never lost a motion.


The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time.

Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one.



All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure


Agreed. Politics is also involved whenever guys get ejected from the presidential dias.


Its all politics. You eat the bread that is buttered, it was stupid for UK to think the handcheque was a blank cheque for him also Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Orengo blames uhuru handshake could have just been a waste of time
sqft
#37 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:08:53 AM
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Posts: 961
Location: Kenya
Lolest! wrote:
Kang'ata amendment shot down


The formula is yet to be voted on. What failed is the ammendment to operationalize it in the FY 2022/2023 and not 2021/22 as proposed.

That said, the biggest gainers in the new formula will be nandi, kakamega, uasin gishu, siaya, nakuru, kisumu who will get about 1B extra each. Muranga will only get just a few more millions about 90m. Infact tharaka nithi will lose.

Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#38 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:17:55 AM
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Joined: 1/10/2015
Posts: 961
Location: Kenya
I support the tanga tanga guy 100%.






Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
masukuma
#39 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:26:53 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
This bill is a typical case of "divide and conquer"! attempting to remind senators that they should vote for it because they will 'gain' at the expense of others while trumping on the spirit of the constitution that created the senate in the first place. Appealing to narrow primal interests to get numbers is an old tactic. This was the mindset of akina Moi and Kibaki... giving tokens to ethnic groups to rope them in. Remember akina Ojode turning down ministerial posts when akina Kibaki attempted to rope them in. I am very proud of Kakamega, Kisii, Nairobi and Kajiado and any other county that voted against this bill. They were shocked when they saw people vote against what appeared to be in their interest.

We should be striving at ending up in the 3rd picture not going back to the first! We have been there for a while and we all know it doesn't work
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
alma1
#40 Posted : Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:31:46 AM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
masukuma wrote:
This bill is a typical case of "divide and conquer"! attempting to remind senators that they should vote for it because they will 'gain' at the expense of others while trumping on the spirit of the constitution that created the senate in the first place. Appealing to narrow primal interests to get numbers is an old tactic. This was the mindset of akina Moi and Kibaki... giving tokens to ethnic groups to rope them in. Remember akina Ojode turning down ministerial posts when akina Kibaki attempted to rope them in. I am very proud of Kakamega, Kisii, Nairobi and Kajiado and any other county that voted against this bill. They were shocked when they saw people vote against what appeared to be in their interest.

We should be striving at ending up in the 3rd picture not going back to the first! We have been there for a while and we all know it doesn't work


One day you will understand why Moses Kuria is soooo popular with some people.

I don't believe there's a more entitled tribe in Kenya.

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

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