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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Who 'won' in the voting? Uhuru/Rao losing big. 25-20 so far.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Uram wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Who 'won' in the voting? Uhuru/Rao losing big. 25-20 so far. 25-22 to the 'No' side.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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limanika wrote:sqft wrote:Kusadikika wrote:sqft wrote:The people of Mt kenya have been deceived for long that they are very developed so they should get less while the situation on the ground is very different. For instance the residents of kirinyaga and nyandarua have been complaining perennially due to lack of roads and other infrastructure. https://www.nation.co.ke...ttle-development-222952
 Even in nairobi, just go to kasarani, roysambu, pipeline etc you will find that they are no inner roads or sewer and yet nairobi is said to be very developed and thus should get less funds despite producing 60% of GDP. Mnadanganywa that you are very developed so others can siphon all the funds to their counties.  There is another very developed Nairobi. This one here: Hata huko runda residents have no govt water or sewer, they formed runda water company to supply water coz kanjo water was non existent and also all of them rely on septic tanks. Same with karen hakuna sewer only septic tanks and boreholes + water trucks hapo dagoreti corner for water. All that development you see there is funded privately by the residents not devolution taxes. Very true. We all know this devolution was never about development. It was an argument by those who felt there was too much eating at the central govt whereby they couldn't participate and therefore needed to devolve corruption. Sadly, they won the day since the powers that be did not want to lose support. So nowadays you have a president who goes to foreign capitals to beg for money, comes home, hands over the money to governors who end up eating a huge chunk. Then the president is left spending sleepless nights wondering how to repay since the loan money was spent in non-income generating activities. For how long are we going to live this lie? Devolution is working very well for those who understand it, look at Makueni. Those who still dont get it are left to butt lick. On that note, money should follow the people not the land. OneManOneVoteOneShilling. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Kang'ata amendment shot down
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Project Kenya still has a chance! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. His threats were very annoying, for that I enjoy the defeat. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. His threats were very annoying, for that I enjoy the defeat. They have sensed a second defeat- Sakaja's motion They want to run away in the name of respecting curfew hours.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Uram wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. His threats were very annoying, for that I enjoy the defeat. They have sensed a second defeat- Sakaja's motion They want to run away in the name of respecting curfew hours. Oops! They are gone. Cowards.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain
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Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time. Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Queen wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time. Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one. All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Queen wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time. Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one. Point of correction- Luo Nyanza Senators sided with Kang'ata. Murkomen, Sakaja, Kindiki, Sam Ongeri and Nyamira Senator surprisingly voted against the motion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. Threats are a pointer for lack of substance. It's sad senators cannot debate soberly without looking over their shoulders. A debate held six times without an amicable settlement shows how indecisive these characters are. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain
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murchr wrote:Queen wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time. Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one. All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure Agreed. Politics is also involved whenever guys get ejected from the presidential dias.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Queen wrote:murchr wrote:Queen wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time. Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one. All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure Agreed. Politics is also involved whenever guys get ejected from the presidential dias. Its all politics. You eat the bread that is buttered, it was stupid for UK to think the handcheque was a blank cheque for him also  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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murchr wrote:Queen wrote:murchr wrote:Queen wrote:Uram wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down Fellow thought threats/blackmail would work. Rudderless. Jubilee had good Senate leadership in Murkomen/Kihika. The duo never lost a motion. The only reason the duo never lost a motion was because, during their time, jubilee was one united party with a clear majority in the house. In the current stalemate, people like Murkomen are against the bill despite his county being a beneficiary. For him I believes it is a case of payback time. Kang'ata may be a poor leader but on this one he is blameless. There is alot of politics involved. Remember RAO does not wish to antagonize the counties which are likely to "lose" money and hence his troops are unable to side with UK on this one. All these positions are political. Its nonsense to say politics is involved politics has always been involved. Uhuru brought this to himself let him wallow in his failure Agreed. Politics is also involved whenever guys get ejected from the presidential dias. Its all politics. You eat the bread that is buttered, it was stupid for UK to think the handcheque was a blank cheque for him also Orengo blames uhuru handshake could have just been a waste of time
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Kang'ata amendment shot down The formula is yet to be voted on. What failed is the ammendment to operationalize it in the FY 2022/2023 and not 2021/22 as proposed. That said, the biggest gainers in the new formula will be nandi, kakamega, uasin gishu, siaya, nakuru, kisumu who will get about 1B extra each. Muranga will only get just a few more millions about 90m. Infact tharaka nithi will lose.  Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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I support the tanga tanga guy 100%.   Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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This bill is a typical case of "divide and conquer"! attempting to remind senators that they should vote for it because they will 'gain' at the expense of others while trumping on the spirit of the constitution that created the senate in the first place. Appealing to narrow primal interests to get numbers is an old tactic. This was the mindset of akina Moi and Kibaki... giving tokens to ethnic groups to rope them in. Remember akina Ojode turning down ministerial posts when akina Kibaki attempted to rope them in. I am very proud of Kakamega, Kisii, Nairobi and Kajiado and any other county that voted against this bill. They were shocked when they saw people vote against what appeared to be in their interest. We should be striving at ending up in the 3rd picture not going back to the first! We have been there for a while and we all know it doesn't work  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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masukuma wrote:This bill is a typical case of "divide and conquer"! attempting to remind senators that they should vote for it because they will 'gain' at the expense of others while trumping on the spirit of the constitution that created the senate in the first place. Appealing to narrow primal interests to get numbers is an old tactic. This was the mindset of akina Moi and Kibaki... giving tokens to ethnic groups to rope them in. Remember akina Ojode turning down ministerial posts when akina Kibaki attempted to rope them in. I am very proud of Kakamega, Kisii, Nairobi and Kajiado and any other county that voted against this bill. They were shocked when they saw people vote against what appeared to be in their interest. We should be striving at ending up in the 3rd picture not going back to the first! We have been there for a while and we all know it doesn't work One day you will understand why Moses Kuria is soooo popular with some people. I don't believe there's a more entitled tribe in Kenya. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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