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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Mike Ock wrote:I know people are very invested here, but let's be honest with ourselves: Kenya Airways deserves to close, and GoK needs to leave the airline business alone. Why a government needs a national airline carrier is just beyond me! GOK doesn't want KQ to default on its 200B loans. GOK would rather mortgage even our airports and aviation school to pay KQ debts instead of stemming the bleeding. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,230 Location: nairobi
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Mike Ock wrote:obiero wrote:Mike Ock wrote:I know people are very invested here, but let's be honest with ourselves: Kenya Airways deserves to close, and GoK needs to leave the airline business alone. Why a government needs a national airline carrier is just beyond me! Watch this video to understand the why A private group of investors could still come through and make a Kenyan airline. And if a Kenyan airline proves unsustainable, we'll just use the international ones! Aviation isn't cheap..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 931
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Massive layoff at KQ as it sends home 182 pilots, cabin crew“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2018 Posts: 299
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KALPA doesn't deserve any mercy
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 931
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Not too long ago there was all this drama, noise and strikes on the issue of retrenchment, and consolidation. Now they will have to watch ass it happens. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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KQ nationalisation is based on warped logic: that the only way it can become profitable is by making it part of airports authority hence saving it airport levies. However, BA is a profitable airline that operates from a private airport (Heathrow is a private business!). What are they doing that KQ isn't? Simple answer: theft!
Nationalisation will NOT solve theft in KQ. If anything, theft will increase!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Mike Ock wrote:I know people are very invested here, but let's be honest with ourselves: Kenya Airways deserves to close, and GoK needs to leave the airline business alone. Why a government needs a national airline carrier is just beyond me! Watch this video to understand the why That guy Abraham, is shallow. He doesn't even know why KQ was privatised in the first place! He also assumes that Kenya needs KQ to export flowers. Flower exporters don't necessarily need a Kenyan airline - they just need an airline! Also, majority of our tourists come by chartered flights, not scheduled ones. My view is that nationalisation is ill-advised. But if we must do it, we don't have to buy the other outstanding shares. Se we can just let it be liquidated by the creditors; pick up the assets and form a new airline - New Kenya Airways? That way we don't even have to pay off the debts!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/16/2019 Posts: 313
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chiaroscuro wrote:KQ nationalisation is based on warped logic: that the only way it can become profitable is by making it part of airports authority hence saving it airport levies. However, BA is a profitable airline that operates from a private airport (Heathrow is a private business!). What are they doing that KQ isn't? Simple answer: theft!
Nationalisation will NOT solve theft in KQ. If anything, theft will increase! I wish what you are saying is wrong. But the sad truth is that you are right. Re-nationalisation will not solve any of KQ deep seated problems. Infact it will just increase the amount of money to be looted and increase the amount of opacity. Some of the problems KQ faced when it was a parastal: How Moi commandeered KQ and flew it into financial turbulenceQuote:Once upon a time, Kenya Airways was the most abused parastatal. Its aircraft could be commandeered by State House — at times for a week — and flown to any destination the president wanted until he returned it. Quote:Flights would be cancelled and passengers, who had booked in advance, would be inconvenienced. As long as President Moi was happy, nobody cared about profits.
Quote:Once, Parliament was told that some of those ferried, ostensibly as part of presidential retinue, were a bunch of joyriders, court jesters and jokers.
Quote:Occasionally, the government would look for loans from a consortium of banks — and ask Parliament to approve the government guarantee.
That is what it did in 1985 when it took $100 million to purchase two Airbus aircraft from France — payable over 10 years.
The scandal in that deal was that 0.4 percent of the money was “commitment fee” while another 0.4 percent was listed as “management fee”. Quote:It also became the dumping ground of workers. At one point in 1988, the airline had only 11 aircraft and a workforce of 4,000.
It was also making huge losses, was badly run and was not filing any returns. Every year, Parliament would be asked to write-off KQ debts and Treasury would pump more cash into the bottomless hole. Above were some of the reasons why KQ was privatised. What will re-nationalisation achieve?
How will it eliminate mismanagement, theft and other vices ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,230 Location: nairobi
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kmucheke wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:KQ nationalisation is based on warped logic: that the only way it can become profitable is by making it part of airports authority hence saving it airport levies. However, BA is a profitable airline that operates from a private airport (Heathrow is a private business!). What are they doing that KQ isn't? Simple answer: theft!
Nationalisation will NOT solve theft in KQ. If anything, theft will increase! I wish what you are saying is wrong. But the sad truth is that you are right. Re-nationalisation will not solve any of KQ deep seated problems. Infact it will just increase the amount of money to be looted and increase the amount of opacity. Some of the problems KQ faced when it was a parastal: How Moi commandeered KQ and flew it into financial turbulenceQuote:Once upon a time, Kenya Airways was the most abused parastatal. Its aircraft could be commandeered by State House — at times for a week — and flown to any destination the president wanted until he returned it. Quote:Flights would be cancelled and passengers, who had booked in advance, would be inconvenienced. As long as President Moi was happy, nobody cared about profits.
Quote:Once, Parliament was told that some of those ferried, ostensibly as part of presidential retinue, were a bunch of joyriders, court jesters and jokers.
Quote:Occasionally, the government would look for loans from a consortium of banks — and ask Parliament to approve the government guarantee.
That is what it did in 1985 when it took $100 million to purchase two Airbus aircraft from France — payable over 10 years.
The scandal in that deal was that 0.4 percent of the money was “commitment fee” while another 0.4 percent was listed as “management fee”. Quote:It also became the dumping ground of workers. At one point in 1988, the airline had only 11 aircraft and a workforce of 4,000.
It was also making huge losses, was badly run and was not filing any returns. Every year, Parliament would be asked to write-off KQ debts and Treasury would pump more cash into the bottomless hole. Above were some of the reasons why KQ was privatised. What will re-nationalisation achieve?
How will it eliminate mismanagement, theft and other vices ?
The SPV would have addressed this, but wakenya ni wajanja! tulipe pesa zetu tuende 😆
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,809 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:kmucheke wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:KQ nationalisation is based on warped logic: that the only way it can become profitable is by making it part of airports authority hence saving it airport levies. However, BA is a profitable airline that operates from a private airport (Heathrow is a private business!). What are they doing that KQ isn't? Simple answer: theft!
Nationalisation will NOT solve theft in KQ. If anything, theft will increase! I wish what you are saying is wrong. But the sad truth is that you are right. Re-nationalisation will not solve any of KQ deep seated problems. Infact it will just increase the amount of money to be looted and increase the amount of opacity. Some of the problems KQ faced when it was a parastal: How Moi commandeered KQ and flew it into financial turbulenceQuote:Once upon a time, Kenya Airways was the most abused parastatal. Its aircraft could be commandeered by State House — at times for a week — and flown to any destination the president wanted until he returned it. Quote:Flights would be cancelled and passengers, who had booked in advance, would be inconvenienced. As long as President Moi was happy, nobody cared about profits.
Quote:Once, Parliament was told that some of those ferried, ostensibly as part of presidential retinue, were a bunch of joyriders, court jesters and jokers.
Quote:Occasionally, the government would look for loans from a consortium of banks — and ask Parliament to approve the government guarantee.
That is what it did in 1985 when it took $100 million to purchase two Airbus aircraft from France — payable over 10 years.
The scandal in that deal was that 0.4 percent of the money was “commitment fee” while another 0.4 percent was listed as “management fee”. Quote:It also became the dumping ground of workers. At one point in 1988, the airline had only 11 aircraft and a workforce of 4,000.
It was also making huge losses, was badly run and was not filing any returns. Every year, Parliament would be asked to write-off KQ debts and Treasury would pump more cash into the bottomless hole. Above were some of the reasons why KQ was privatised. What will re-nationalisation achieve?
How will it eliminate mismanagement, theft and other vices ?
The SPV would have addressed this, but wakenya ni wajanja! tulipe pesa zetu tuende 😆 SPV would have achieved nothing. Liabilities of KQ are too huge for JKIA to shoulder Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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