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Why dustbowl is the future
amorphous
#491 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:31:25 PM
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mulla wrote:


Hapo Olturoto nitapata mnunuzi nipate pesa? Na bei huko sasa?


Olturoto price depends on how many KM in you are from Namanga rd as well as amenities, STIMA especially. Wanunuzi wako wengi bro. Get you a good DC based agent and if the price is right you will get buyers.
In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
Angelica _ann
#492 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:48:47 PM
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amorphous wrote:
wukan wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Am not a fan of DC but hii ni upusi huku Nairobi. People need to have a life not being herded together with poor amenities and infrastructure.


https://www.businessdail...81004-n64kek/index.html


Shida yako you are stuck in a bygone era. The market is demanding this communal lifestyle living. The young ones want to hostel living lifestyle i.e small private space and interacting in the public space. They want bike lanes and pedestrian walks and not parking lots. I was shocked went I went to Luthuli avenue the other day and the bilke racks were full. They are having life just in smaller living space. You need to watch the kenyan vloggers then you realize that old lifestyle of having a car, huge living space that you don't use is slowly fading away.

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The developments appear to be addressing a rising demand for functional small spaces among young families, students and expatriates keen on living in own apartments in the capital city.


Wukan,
While this may be true for the millenials, please remember that youth is as fleeting as mild fog. One can only live a boehmian life renting a bedsitter, riding a bike and living like a vagabond with no roots for so long. As their youth fades so will these tastes. I remember living in student hostels as a first year student in uni. Very exciting at first! Then came the noisy roomatees, lack of space to store your items. Hanging clothes on and outside windows. Very little light and fresh air..it was a nightmare! So called "small living spaces" only sound good on paper for so long. Once a person hits 30, jameni they have no business living in a bedsitter or cramped apartment unless they have no other choice.


@wukan, I am talking of the ability for Nairobi to provide amenities and infrastructure to support such projects. Such projects are turning Kilimani to those high rise 8/9 floor flats of Pipeline opposite Fedha, even living in Kirima's Tumaini will be better. Eentually, it lowers the value of surrounding properties.

Lakini if there are people who are happy to spend a good part of their life in such places, well and good, i just said mimi siwezi.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
wukan
#493 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:52:04 PM
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amorphous wrote:
wukan wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Am not a fan of DC but hii ni upusi huku Nairobi. People need to have a life not being herded together with poor amenities and infrastructure.


https://www.businessdail...81004-n64kek/index.html


Shida yako you are stuck in a bygone era. The market is demanding this communal lifestyle living. The young ones want to hostel living lifestyle i.e small private space and interacting in the public space. They want bike lanes and pedestrian walks and not parking lots. I was shocked went I went to Luthuli avenue the other day and the bilke racks were full. They are having life just in smaller living space. You need to watch the kenyan vloggers then you realize that old lifestyle of having a car, huge living space that you don't use is slowly fading away.

Quote:
The developments appear to be addressing a rising demand for functional small spaces among young families, students and expatriates keen on living in own apartments in the capital city.


Wukan,
While this may be true for the millenials, please remember that youth is as fleeting as mild fog. One can only live a boehmian life renting a bedsitter, riding a bike and living like a vagabond with no roots for so long. As their youth fades so will these tastes. I remember living in student hostels as a first year student in uni. Very exciting at first! Then came the noisy roomatees, lack of space to store your items. Hanging clothes on and outside windows. Very little light and fresh air..it was a nightmare! So called "small living spaces" only sound good on paper for so long. Once a person hits 30, jameni they have no business living in a bedsitter or cramped apartment unless they have no other choice.


In Tokyo they stay in the cities till they die. In this covid period with time on my hands I have been watching those youtube walkaround videos of Tokyo and I see old people on bikes or walking. Lots of bike lanes in that metro. City living is not for everyone but those who've been here for long just want to stick to the old tried ways. Nowadays even inter-generation living is considered normal in older city estates like South B, South C, Pangani Eastleigh, Parklands. Even Uhuru has raised his kids in the same address he grew up in. At some point you settle in the community and get on with life. As you age you realize people are not bothered with your life as much as you think. Those impressions and keeping up with Joneses don't matter that much.
At some point kids leave the nest and older folks have to move to smaller living space near hospitals and other amenities. What's the point of building a big mansion which you won't need in 20 years once the kids are off to college? You might also get divorced in your 40s or 50s and if you don't have your small thingira where you can retreat to, you will walk these streets talking to yourself.

For now the demand is for those studios and 1bd. They are selling like hotcake especially the ones near the CBD and westlands.
amorphous
#494 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:15:01 PM
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wukan wrote:

In Tokyo they stay in the cities till they die. In this covid period with time on my hands I have been watching those youtube walkaround videos of Tokyo and I see old people on bikes or walking. Lots of bike lanes in that metro. City living is not for everyone but those who've been here for long just want to stick to the old tried ways. Nowadays even inter-generation living is considered normal in older city estates like South B, South C, Pangani Eastleigh, Parklands. Even Uhuru has raised his kids in the same address he grew up in. At some point you settle in the community and get on with life. As you age you realize people are not bothered with your life as much as you think. Those impressions and keeping up with Joneses don't matter that much.
At some point kids leave the nest and older folks have to move to smaller living space near hospitals and other amenities. What's the point of building a big mansion which you won't need in 20 years once the kids are off to college? You might also get divorced in your 40s or 50s and if you don't have your small thingira where you can retreat to, you will walk these streets talking to yourself.

For now the demand is for those studios and 1bd. They are selling like hotcake especially the ones near the CBD and westlands.


Wukan,
Everything you say always sounds good on paper but I have big doubts matches up to reality.
What's the point of building a huge mansion that you will not need when the kids leave the nest in 20 years? You would have obtained 20 years of good service from it, and a juicy cap gain should you decide to sell at that point and move into a smaller living space, but never a bedsitter.

Bottom line, The leafy burbs of Nai core are in serious danger bro. Kilimani is the epicenter of the woes. I remember how Kili had beautiful bungalows, maisonettes and low rise apartments in the years gone past. THAT IS ALL GONE. I also remember how Kileleshwa was so coveted because of its beautiful colonial bungalows on 1 acre. Imagine trying to maintain your bungalow yet on all sides around your plot, high rise apartments with plenty of nosy eyes are beaming down on you and your family running around in the lawn, and your wife hanging clothes on the clothes lines. Some may even be using the zoom feature on their cameras to take pics and videos of parts of her body you won't be comfortable to have them taking! In short, it is UNREALISTIC to cling on to the dream that these Nai core suburbs will stay the same.

Saying everyone will end up in studio and bedsitters in Kilimani and be happy about it is a bit of wishful thinking in my humble view. Imagine a 45 year old man and his wife and three totos hanging tough in a 8m by 8m luxury bedsitter in Kili. No parking space downstairs. Wote wanapanda nduthi shwaaa to get around. Not realistic at all if you ask me.
In ten years time if we are not careful, Kili will be no different from Ngara. In 20 years time it will be just like Pipeline estate below, which will be just sad.



PIPELINE ESTATE IS A FACADE OF WHAT NAIROBI WILL BE

https://www.standardmedi...-of-what-nairobi-will-be
In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
Angelica _ann
#495 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:19:36 PM
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Comparing Nairobi and Tokyo is a facade and a big lie.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
wukan
#496 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:53:56 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Comparing Nairobi and Tokyo is a facade and a big lie.


What's the difference given that I've buried and cremated friends and relatives who spent their entire lives in Nairobi?
Rahatupu
#497 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:27:23 PM
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wukan wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Comparing Nairobi and Tokyo is a facade and a big lie.


What's the difference given that I've buried and cremated friends and relatives who spent their entire lives in Nairobi?

@wukan, great example. I live in Tokyo and can attest to what you ascribe herein. However, we tend to have a different cultural orientation to city life. We have a duality between city living and "home/pacho/dala" whereby city life is seen as temporary.
cyruskulei
#498 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10:42 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
wukan wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Comparing Nairobi and Tokyo is a facade and a big lie.


What's the difference given that I've buried and cremated friends and relatives who spent their entire lives in Nairobi?

@wukan, great example. I live in Tokyo and can attest to what you ascribe herein. However, we tend to have a different cultural orientation to city life. We have a duality between city living and "home/pacho/dala" whereby city life is seen as temporary.


Did you say city life is seen as temporary? You are right. I have seen from a different perspective. Sasa naenda kudevelop ushako kwetu. Where i will be buried next to My ancestors. And my spirit dwells with them not strangers. Sorry if anyone is offended. But thanks
Work hard at your job and you can make a living. Work hard on yourself and you can make a fortune.

mufasa
#499 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:35:14 PM
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Checkout Kipeto wind farm in Kajiado (Kiserian) - 100MW

https://twitter.com/mwar...275336006758273024?s=08

Do it today! Tomorrow is promise to no-one.
watesh
#500 Posted : Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:58:22 PM
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mufasa wrote:
Checkout Kipeto wind farm in Kajiado (Kiserian) - 100MW

https://twitter.com/mwar...275336006758273024?s=08


This hasn't even come online and the government is already declaring all existing contracts null and void. They should strap in, a bumpy ride is coming.
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