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amorphous wrote:sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:
All the Nairobi surrounding 'towns' badly need water and sewer infrastructure. Of course non of the Counties are doing anything towards this. When will they ever see the need for this?
Has aging Nairobi itself 120 years old solved its water, sewer and infra problems yet? Did you forget that 60% of Nairobi is a slum?  You CANNOT stop the DC boom hata ukijitupa kwa swimming pool to drown humo humo in protest In the recent past I think they have done sewer for roysambu, ruiru, juja and are currently doing for kasarani, ruaka etc. The northern collector tunnel project will boost the water supply. Huko dustbowl things are also looking very good with the Oloolotikosh Kitengela-Kajiado Water Supply and Sewerage system project funded by the African Development Bank. http://www.tanathi.go.ke...-and-sanitation-project True, all good stuff. Was just answering some of the fools above in their own folly because some of them are so THICK they cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, reasoning with them is pointless  . Loving these new developments and looking forward to more. DC is also seeking to take over EPZ water supply which comes from NWSC so that will be an awesome development. WB are also heavily involved in urban improvement in Kitengela. Meanwhile as I have said umpteen times on this thread, an even more economical and environmentally friendly solution is biodigesters + rain water harvesting for each house, which numerous homes in DC have adopted. Waste from biodigesters is H20 and small amounts of methane and the purest water on earth is God's rain. But many will never listen. They want very complex solutions to simple problems because the school books taught them so (lack of practical wisdom). 1 am 99% water secure as we speak and have no need for serikali to saidia on both sewer and water. This is great , what of those who have flats_ it is possible to achieve this. Plus water can be contaminated by septic waste over time. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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amorphous wrote:Meanwhile as I have said umpteen times on this thread, an even more economical and environmentally friendly solution is biodigesters + rain water harvesting for each house, which numerous homes in DC have adopted. Waste from biodigesters is H20 and small amounts of methane and the purest water on earth is God's rain. But many will never listen. They want very complex solutions to simple problems because the school books taught them so (lack of practical wisdom). 1 am 99% water secure as we speak and have no need for serikali to saidia on both sewer and water.
I was looking at statistics for the US and was surprised that in many areas especially suburban residential areas most homes (over half) are NOT connected to sewer lines but instead use septic tanks. Infact the US govt encourages on-site septic tanks to manage domestic waste. Also in countries like Australia, New Zealand septic tanks, rainwater harvesting, and solar power are used widely. So you are right that septic/biodigester, rainwater and solar are the way to go for sustainable living. https://www.epa.gov/sept...septic-systems-overview
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Meanwhile as I have said umpteen times on this thread, an even more economical and environmentally friendly solution is biodigesters + rain water harvesting for each house, which numerous homes in DC have adopted. Waste from biodigesters is H20 and small amounts of methane and the purest water on earth is God's rain. But many will never listen. They want very complex solutions to simple problems because the school books taught them so (lack of practical wisdom). 1 am 99% water secure as we speak and have no need for serikali to saidia on both sewer and water.
I was looking at statistics for the US and was surprised that in many areas especially suburban residential areas most homes (over half) are NOT connected to sewer lines but instead use septic tanks. Infact the US govt encourages on-site septic tanks to manage domestic waste. Also in countries like Australia, New Zealand septic tanks, rainwater harvesting, and solar power are used widely. So you are right that septic/biodigester, rainwater and solar are the way to go for sustainable living. https://www.epa.gov/sept...septic-systems-overview
Indeed solar+biogiester+rainwater harvesting is a powerful trifecta. The reason they are not touted so much in the public is because if they are implemented, the utility companies (nwsc,kplc, etc) lose out. Solar is simple and beautiful. It amazes me whenever there is a blackout to watch my lights work nyweee and my phones charge chuuuu for hours and hours bila matatizo yeyote. And for free! Nothing better than that! In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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amorphous wrote:sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Meanwhile as I have said umpteen times on this thread, an even more economical and environmentally friendly solution is biodigesters + rain water harvesting for each house, which numerous homes in DC have adopted. Waste from biodigesters is H20 and small amounts of methane and the purest water on earth is God's rain. But many will never listen. They want very complex solutions to simple problems because the school books taught them so (lack of practical wisdom). 1 am 99% water secure as we speak and have no need for serikali to saidia on both sewer and water.
I was looking at statistics for the US and was surprised that in many areas especially suburban residential areas most homes (over half) are NOT connected to sewer lines but instead use septic tanks. Infact the US govt encourages on-site septic tanks to manage domestic waste. Also in countries like Australia, New Zealand septic tanks, rainwater harvesting, and solar power are used widely. So you are right that septic/biodigester, rainwater and solar are the way to go for sustainable living. https://www.epa.gov/sept...septic-systems-overview
Indeed solar+biogiester+rainwater harvesting is a powerful trifecta. The reason they are not touted so much in the public is because if they are implemented, the utility companies (nwsc,kplc, etc) lose out. Solar is simple and beautiful. It amazes me whenever there is a blackout to watch my lights work nyweee and my phones charge chuuuu for hours and hours bila matatizo yeyote. And for free! Nothing better than that! This is nice and interesting. Let me research on this, I also want to be power independent. The power surge and blackouts in just unbearable in shaggs. Though water has never been an issue. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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Angelica _ann wrote:amorphous wrote:sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:
All the Nairobi surrounding 'towns' badly need water and sewer infrastructure. Of course non of the Counties are doing anything towards this. When will they ever see the need for this?
Has aging Nairobi itself 120 years old solved its water, sewer and infra problems yet? Did you forget that 60% of Nairobi is a slum? You CANNOT stop the DC boom hata ukijitupa kwa swimming pool to drown humo humo in protest In the recent past I think they have done sewer for roysambu, ruiru, juja and are currently doing for kasarani, ruaka etc. The northern collector tunnel project will boost the water supply. Huko dustbowl things are also looking very good with the Oloolotikosh Kitengela-Kajiado Water Supply and Sewerage system project funded by the African Development Bank. http://www.tanathi.go.ke...-and-sanitation-project True, all good stuff. Was just answering some of the fools above in their own folly because some of them are so THICK they cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, reasoning with them is pointless . Loving these new developments and looking forward to more. DC is also seeking to take over EPZ water supply which comes from NWSC so that will be an awesome development. WB are also heavily involved in urban improvement in Kitengela. Meanwhile as I have said umpteen times on this thread, an even more economical and environmentally friendly solution is biodigesters + rain water harvesting for each house, which numerous homes in DC have adopted. Waste from biodigesters is H20 and small amounts of methane and the purest water on earth is God's rain. But many will never listen. They want very complex solutions to simple problems because the school books taught them so (lack of practical wisdom). 1 am 99% water secure as we speak and have no need for serikali to saidia on both sewer and water. This is great , what of those who have flats_ it is possible to achieve this. Plus water can be contaminated by septic waste over time. That is why the govt is building a sewer system for flats and businesses within kitengela town center. But for dustbowlers like @amorphous who are living large on their own suburban plots they dont even need that sewer system. https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-106861929
https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-108667316
 Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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sqft wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:amorphous wrote:sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:
All the Nairobi surrounding 'towns' badly need water and sewer infrastructure. Of course non of the Counties are doing anything towards this. When will they ever see the need for this?
Has aging Nairobi itself 120 years old solved its water, sewer and infra problems yet? Did you forget that 60% of Nairobi is a slum? You CANNOT stop the DC boom hata ukijitupa kwa swimming pool to drown humo humo in protest In the recent past I think they have done sewer for roysambu, ruiru, juja and are currently doing for kasarani, ruaka etc. The northern collector tunnel project will boost the water supply. Huko dustbowl things are also looking very good with the Oloolotikosh Kitengela-Kajiado Water Supply and Sewerage system project funded by the African Development Bank. http://www.tanathi.go.ke...-and-sanitation-project True, all good stuff. Was just answering some of the fools above in their own folly because some of them are so THICK they cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, reasoning with them is pointless . Loving these new developments and looking forward to more. DC is also seeking to take over EPZ water supply which comes from NWSC so that will be an awesome development. WB are also heavily involved in urban improvement in Kitengela. Meanwhile as I have said umpteen times on this thread, an even more economical and environmentally friendly solution is biodigesters + rain water harvesting for each house, which numerous homes in DC have adopted. Waste from biodigesters is H20 and small amounts of methane and the purest water on earth is God's rain. But many will never listen. They want very complex solutions to simple problems because the school books taught them so (lack of practical wisdom). 1 am 99% water secure as we speak and have no need for serikali to saidia on both sewer and water. This is great , what of those who have flats_ it is possible to achieve this. Plus water can be contaminated by septic waste over time. That is why the govt is building a sewer system for flats and businesses within kitengela town center. But for dustbowlers like @amorphous who are living large on their own suburban plots they dont even need that sewer system. https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-106861929
https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-108667316
Nice, too elegant for my liking _ solitary!!!! Am an estate person who likes meeting and talking to people on daily basis aka goship. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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amorphous wrote:Investing in Jewel in the Crown DC is a no-brainer, really. https://www.kenyans.co.k...turned-night-club-video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPGV_IsVQYk
Youthful population. Young entrepreneurs in their 30s and 40s dem run tings in Jewel in the Crown. Walk into any business premises and I guarantee you with 99% certainty the faces of the business owners will be very youthful. Very rare to find any kamuzee over 45 at any of them. Some are comically young... 20-23. Greenfield projects never seen in Kenya seem to only happen in Jewel in the Crown. The bigger and crazier the idea the better. Land aplenty, affordable and RIPE for the next big idea. The FACE OF KENYA lives in Kitengela in no other way even compared to cosmopolitan towns such as Rongai, Ngong and Kiserian. Hata kama you are a Dorobo from Mau Summit, you will feel VERY AT HOME hapa instead of having to watch your back in other satellite zones! Different vibe and feel out there. Easy yet fast paced, Urban yet countryside feel. Come one come all or get locked out forever! Young blood, fresh ideas. Even their houses speak for themselves. Some of the houses look like they are straight outa California. https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-108648366
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Investing in Jewel in the Crown DC is a no-brainer, really. https://www.kenyans.co.k...turned-night-club-video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPGV_IsVQYk
Youthful population. Young entrepreneurs in their 30s and 40s dem run tings in Jewel in the Crown. Walk into any business premises and I guarantee you with 99% certainty the faces of the business owners will be very youthful. Very rare to find any kamuzee over 45 at any of them. Some are comically young... 20-23. Greenfield projects never seen in Kenya seem to only happen in Jewel in the Crown. The bigger and crazier the idea the better. Land aplenty, affordable and RIPE for the next big idea. The FACE OF KENYA lives in Kitengela in no other way even compared to cosmopolitan towns such as Rongai, Ngong and Kiserian. Hata kama you are a Dorobo from Mau Summit, you will feel VERY AT HOME hapa instead of having to watch your back in other satellite zones! Different vibe and feel out there. Easy yet fast paced, Urban yet countryside feel. Come one come all or get locked out forever! Young blood, fresh ideas. Even their houses speak for themselves. Some of the houses look like they are straight outa California. https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-108648366
Lovely homes. I like the subway tiles in the kitchen of this one. I think the reason why peeps are able to experiment with big ideas in Jewel in the Crown is because many follow this path: 1. Need to own a decent yet affordable home that maintains their standard of living. Clearly that is not happening in ksh 400m an acre Lavington/Kile/Westie/Gigiri etc. Living in a cramped apartment hapo simply isn't cutting it. Nor is buying a 17m apartment that is under 100sqm. 2. Land purchase to build a home to one's own standard. This takes creativity and planning in itself. Land is super affordable in DC. 80%= of DC is ex Nairobi, maybe 5-10% is ex-diaspora so when one visits they are like "haiya! kumbe guys and gals are living large out here." I remember the first time I pigad raos in DC (around 2010). I was BLOWN AWAY by what I saw. Most people have this image of a dusty place with scary looking buildings.I had the same impression too at first. When I visited the 'burbs I was shocked at how people are living. 300+sqm homes with all sorts of crazy amenities that would have cost tens of millions more had they been built in Lavington or Runda. At the building stage you realise you can go larger and crazier for cheaper, the only limit is your pocket and imagination. 3. Building completion Taxing stage and baptism by fire. Once you emerge from this stage, the world is one's oyster. Resources have been consumed big time, but you are better for it in terms of both experience and economic stability. 4. Rent-free happy days At this stage after you have moved in, the rent savings you used to spend at that leafy burb in Nairobi starts to pile up fast! No time for honeymoons, you have to find a use for it, alongside other savings and sources of income. You buy more plots, you build another house or two for sale or rentals and it all goes haywire from there. 5. Dream chasing Suddenly you realise, hey, with all these ex-Nairobi middle class people here, there is no decent kinyozi/gym/spa/club/hotel with pool/cybercafe/pastry company/juice bar/laundry/auto shop/outdorr exercise park/wedding venue/videography company/equipment supplier/marble installer/fountain builder/"insert your own weird business idea here"..the list is literally endless. The land is plenty, totally greenfield, and so you start to chase your dream 6. Explosion At this stage if you have planned and budgeted well and persisted, you will most likely be sitting pretty on some thick cashflows which will need further deployment. Hence the pursuit of even crazier dreams like importing used airplanes from KQ and turning them into clubs on idle plots you own. NIMESEMA! In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/1/2019 Posts: 170 Location: Nairobi
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amorphous wrote:sqft wrote:amorphous wrote:Investing in Jewel in the Crown DC is a no-brainer, really. https://www.kenyans.co.k...turned-night-club-video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPGV_IsVQYk
Youthful population. Young entrepreneurs in their 30s and 40s dem run tings in Jewel in the Crown. Walk into any business premises and I guarantee you with 99% certainty the faces of the business owners will be very youthful. Very rare to find any kamuzee over 45 at any of them. Some are comically young... 20-23. Greenfield projects never seen in Kenya seem to only happen in Jewel in the Crown. The bigger and crazier the idea the better. Land aplenty, affordable and RIPE for the next big idea. The FACE OF KENYA lives in Kitengela in no other way even compared to cosmopolitan towns such as Rongai, Ngong and Kiserian. Hata kama you are a Dorobo from Mau Summit, you will feel VERY AT HOME hapa instead of having to watch your back in other satellite zones! Different vibe and feel out there. Easy yet fast paced, Urban yet countryside feel. Come one come all or get locked out forever! Young blood, fresh ideas. Even their houses speak for themselves. Some of the houses look like they are straight outa California. https://www.property24.c...-in-kitengela-108648366
Lovely homes. I like the subway tiles in the kitchen of this one. I think the reason why peeps are able to experiment with big ideas in Jewel in the Crown is because many follow this path: 1. Need to own a decent yet affordable home that maintains their standard of living. Clearly that is not happening in ksh 400m an acre Lavington/Kile/Westie/Gigiri etc. Living in a cramped apartment hapo simply isn't cutting it. Nor is buying a 17m apartment that is under 100sqm. 2. Land purchase to build a home to one's own standard. This takes creativity and planning in itself. Land is super affordable in DC. 80%= of DC is ex Nairobi, maybe 5-10% is ex-diaspora so when one visits they are like "haiya! kumbe guys and gals are living large out here." I remember the first time I pigad raos in DC (around 2010). I was BLOWN AWAY by what I saw. Most people have this image of a dusty place with scary looking buildings.I had the same impression too at first. When I visited the 'burbs I was shocked at how people are living. 300+sqm homes with all sorts of crazy amenities that would have cost tens of millions more had they been built in Lavington or Runda. At the building stage you realise you can go larger and crazier for cheaper, the only limit is your pocket and imagination. 3. Building completion Taxing stage and baptism by fire. Once you emerge from this stage, the world is one's oyster. Resources have been consumed big time, but you are better for it in terms of both experience and economic stability. 4. Rent-free happy days At this stage after you have moved in, the rent savings you used to spend at that leafy burb in Nairobi starts to pile up fast! No time for honeymoons, you have to find a use for it, alongside other savings and sources of income. You buy more plots, you build another house or two for sale or rentals and it all goes haywire from there. 5. Dream chasing Suddenly you realise, hey, with all these ex-Nairobi middle class people here, there is no decent kinyozi/gym/spa/club/hotel with pool/cybercafe/pastry company/juice bar/laundry/auto shop/outdorr exercise park/wedding venue/videography company/equipment supplier/marble installer/fountain builder/"insert your own weird business idea here"..the list is literally endless. The land is plenty, totally greenfield, and so you start to chase your dream 6. Explosion At this stage if you have planned and budgeted well and persisted, you will most likely be sitting pretty on some thick cashflows which will need further deployment. Hence the pursuit of even crazier dreams like importing used airplanes from KQ and turning them into clubs on idle plots you own. NIMESEMA! I agree it's very tempting, Mugundaman
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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Join us! @ New Money. Was SHOCKED the other day zulularing in Jewel in the Crown when I saw this HUGE HUGE HUGGGE amusement park that has just popped up overnight! https://web.facebook.com...ENGELA/?_rdc=1&_rdr
One of its amenities...one of the hugest pools in Kenya that will be heated! Such things do not surprise me any more...ONLY IN DC In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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