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If majority of Kenyans fall for this in the name of supporting dynasty, then we are a jinxed nation. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:sqft wrote:Wananchi want dynasties.
This video is an old clip embedded in a 'fresh' tweet, anyway doesn't matter. How many general elections have this guy with his odomodomo followers of Raila aka Baba lost so far; 1997, 2007, 2013, 2017 (twice). You can also add when Kijana beat him to clinch Ford Kenya Chair. We will still beat him any day, any time!!!!!! The guy in the clip with his folks are just talk, talk talk, with no IDs, no Huduma Number, not registered as voters, the registered - poor voter turn out etc. Bring it on. Kwa ground vitu ni different, from the lake to the mountain, and they are bringing it on . Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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From Kieleweke tu hatukipatiani! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VnkLsOVFzY
The Silly season has started so early! Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Angelica _ann wrote:If majority of Kenyans fall for this in the name of supporting dynasty, then we are a jinxed nation. Uhuru (and his brother Raila) will show us the way. That is why we elected him to lead us. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Points to ponder. A copy and paste opinion-commentary from the The Sub-Standard. Quote:Jubilee Implosion A big Boost To Governance
By KEN OPALO | May 16th, 2020 at 01:15:20 GMT +0300
When politicians are happy with each other, be afraid.
Contestation is a core feature, not a bug, of politics.
Politicians hold each other accountable when they disagree.
It is only under such conditions that they are likely to demand transparency and pander to the public’s concerns.
But when they agree, they often collude to steal from the public.
Consider the example of the Standard Gauge Railway.
What if the debate had gone something like this: Government: We want to build a brand-new railway line.
Opposition: Why do that instead of building a road network that will serve farmers and actually increase productivity?
The opposition would, of course, be motivated by selfish concerns.
Either way, the point is that the debate would bring to the table the need for government policy to meet Kenyans where they live and work, and would force the government to justify its actions.
Perhaps then, we might have had a more rational debate about priority infrastructure investments.
We may have avoided the sky-high debt that we now have, in addition to a financially unviable railway line.
Why did this not happen in early 2013? Because we have a rudderless opposition and significant Jubilee dominance to allow budgets without input from the opposition.
Within Jubilee, there was full agreement on wasteful infrastructure investments that were really about making money for a few connected people.
The railway, Galana-Kulalu, phantom dams and roads, one-laptop-per-child, the last mile electricity connectivity scarcely went through any scrutiny because of intra-Jubilee consensus.
As our public debt climbs to more than 60 percent of GDP, we are reminded of the tremendous fiscal harm that the Jubilee consensus wrought on the economy.
It will take us several years to grow our way out, and streamline public finance management systems.
It is for that reason that we should all welcome the slow-motion implosion of the Jubilee Party.
As President Uhuru Kenyatta battles his Deputy William Ruto, seemingly irreparable differences have emerged.
Notably, Kenyatta’s faction is now a minority in both Houses of Parliament.
Ruto’s allies are believed to comprise more than half of the 171 Jubilee legislatures in the National Assembly, and a plurality of Senators.
Moving forward, to get anything past the president must negotiate with non-Jubilee legislators.
Coalition agreements with different parties notwithstanding, Kenyatta will now have to negotiate with MPs to get his agenda through Bunge.
No longer will he just convene a Jubilee Parliamentary Group (PG) meeting and whip legislators into voting for his preferred outcomes.
For perspective, the share of executive bills passed saw a significant decline during the grand coalition government.
Back then, Kibaki’s Party of National Unity (PNU) was a minority party, similar to the current status of Uhuru’s Jubilee faction.
All this should provide an opening for legislative strengthening.
Executive machinations to control leadership positions in Parliament are an affront to the principle of separation of powers.
We live in a presidential system -- Parliament is a separate and co-equal branch of government.
If MPs want to preserve their autonomy, they must rework their standing orders to limit extra-parliamentary control of their leadership.
As things stand, party leaders appoint speakers and the entire legislative leadership.
Bunge should take this power back.
And what better time than now when Jubilee’s “tyranny of numbers” is eroding? Source link from The Sub-Standard: https://new.standardmedi...-big-boost-to-governance
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[quote=aemathenge]Points to ponder. A copy and paste opinion-commentary from the The Sub-Standard. Quote:Jubilee Implosion A big Boost To Governance
By KEN OPALO | May 16th, 2020 at 01:15:20 GMT +0300
When politicians are happy with each other, be afraid.
Contestation is a core feature, not a bug, of politics.
Politicians hold each other accountable when they disagree.
It is only under such conditions that they are likely to demand transparency and pander to the public’s concerns.
But when they agree, they often collude to steal from the public.
Consider the example of the Standard Gauge Railway.
What if the debate had gone something like this: Government: We want to build a brand-new railway line.
Opposition: Why do that instead of building a road network that will serve farmers and actually increase productivity?
The opposition would, of course, be motivated by selfish concerns.
Either way, the point is that the debate would bring to the table the need for government policy to meet Kenyans where they live and work, and would force the government to justify its actions.
Perhaps then, we might have had a more rational debate about priority infrastructure investments.
We may have avoided the sky-high debt that we now have, in addition to a financially unviable railway line.
Why did this not happen in early 2013? Because we have a rudderless opposition and significant Jubilee dominance to allow budgets without input from the opposition.
Within Jubilee, there was full agreement on wasteful infrastructure investments that were really about making money for a few connected people.
The railway, Galana-Kulalu, phantom dams and roads, one-laptop-per-child, the last mile electricity connectivity scarcely went through any scrutiny because of intra-Jubilee consensus.
As our public debt climbs to more than 60 percent of GDP, we are reminded of the tremendous fiscal harm that the Jubilee consensus wrought on the economy.
It will take us several years to grow our way out, and streamline public finance management systems.
It is for that reason that we should all welcome the slow-motion implosion of the Jubilee Party.
As President Uhuru Kenyatta battles his Deputy William Ruto, seemingly irreparable differences have emerged.
Notably, Kenyatta’s faction is now a minority in both Houses of Parliament.
Ruto’s allies are believed to comprise more than half of the 171 Jubilee legislatures in the National Assembly, and a plurality of Senators.
Moving forward, to get anything past the president must negotiate with non-Jubilee legislators.
Coalition agreements with different parties notwithstanding, Kenyatta will now have to negotiate with MPs to get his agenda through Bunge.
No longer will he just convene a Jubilee Parliamentary Group (PG) meeting and whip legislators into voting for his preferred outcomes.
For perspective, the share of executive bills passed saw a significant decline during the grand coalition government.
Back then, Kibaki’s Party of National Unity (PNU) was a minority party, similar to the current status of Uhuru’s Jubilee faction.
All this should provide an opening for legislative strengthening.
Executive machinations to control leadership positions in Parliament are an affront to the principle of separation of powers.
We live in a presidential system -- Parliament is a separate and co-equal branch of government.
If MPs want to preserve their autonomy, they must rework their standing orders to limit extra-parliamentary control of their leadership.
As things stand, party leaders appoint speakers and the entire legislative leadership.
Bunge should take this power back.
And what better time than now when Jubilee’s “tyranny of numbers” is eroding? Source link from The Sub-Standard: https://new.standardmedi...big-boost-to-governance[/quote] I don't agree, webe ni ure ure - we were told over and over. Let opposition relax, there would have been shouts now that they are sabotaging non existence 'jubilee's development plans and efforts'. Really liked Jimmy defending Lusaka on the floor against Murkomen and team, let Jubilee work in peace until 2022. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:I don't agree, webe ni ure ure - we were told over and over. Let opposition relax, there would have been shouts now that they are sabotaging non existence 'jubilee's development plans and efforts'. Really liked Jimmy defending Lusaka on the floor against Murkomen and team, let Jubilee work in peace until 2022. In that case, I leave you in the hands of a Lady whose proficiency in crafting an article has left me breathless with admiration. She concludes thus: Quote:Yada, yada, yada. sha ji jing hou, why hasn’t the same strategy been used to eliminate corruption in this country?
You be the judge.
Finally, my unsolicited advice is to Wanjiku; those who do not read the news are ill-informed, and those who read the news are misinformed.
This political orchestration is a club. And you are not a member. So let the unfolding political drama entertain you as would any reality TV show without catching feelings. You are being played.
It is easier to fool someone than to convince someone they are being fooled – Mark Twain Oh, I Love, I LOVE, I LOOOVVVEEEEEE Read the full story in The Star Link: https://www.the-star.co....hile-the-monkey-watches/
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Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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There you go again. Suffering the painful, heartbreaking, and the depressingly irritating fate of patronizing a forum that lacks "The Buttons". The "Love" Button. The "Like" Button. The "Thumbs Up" Button. Admin, Admin, Admin, Where at thou when we need you most?
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I still have my doubts about the UMK/WSR divide. Too open Too predictable Choreographed? Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:I still have my doubts about the UMK/WSR divide. Too open Too predictable Choreographed? Contain Baba until early 2022. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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kaka2za wrote:I still have my doubts about the UMK/WSR divide. Too open Too predictable Choreographed? keep on dreaming
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mkenyan wrote:kaka2za wrote:I still have my doubts about the UMK/WSR divide. Too open Too predictable Choreographed? keep on dreaming My dreams of better Kenya died with the end of Kibaki and Raila Government of National Unity. I am now prepared for at least 20 more years of misrule. By that time, I will be too old to care. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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I think all this drama about Ruto is a ploy to make Kenyans vote for him or a setup to keep baba busy the Ruto business and BBI will keep the old guy busy for sometime, also maybe a ploy to keep Uhuru after 2022 which central Kenya is really against, so far we don't have credible opponents to Ruto almost 2 years to polls, alot can happen by then, my view.... To Each His Own
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Angelica _ann wrote:kaka2za wrote:I still have my doubts about the UMK/WSR divide. Too open Too predictable Choreographed? Contain Baba until early 2022. Me too think so!!! I think it is well agreed between the two to play the game
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Uhuru is edging very close to violating the constitution which is an impeachable offense. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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murchr wrote:Uhuru is edging very close to violating the constitution which is an impeachable offense. It has been so hard to impeach Governors so I doubt we will see a president impeached in our lifetime. The current crop of politicians can be bought for a pittance. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:Uhuru is edging very close to violating the constitution which is an impeachable offense. It has been so hard to impeach Governors so I doubt we will see a president impeached in our lifetime. The current crop of politicians can be bought for a pittance. Constitution of Kenya 2010 wrote:
(1) A member of the National Assembly, supported by at least a third of all the members, may move a motion for the impeachment of the President--
(a) on the ground of a gross violation of a provision of this Constitution or of any other law; (b) where there are serious reasons for believing that the President has committed a crime under national or international law; or (c) for gross misconduct.
That's just the Ruto wing. Even if it doesn't completely run its cause it can be an excellent wake up call and a means of running time down. On the ground, Kenyans are tired no bills are being passed just tussling. 2020 is over, Corona has taken over this year, 2021 is a campaign year UK's time is up too bad for him, even if he left today there would be no issue. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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murchr wrote:UK's time is up too bad for him, even if he left today there would be no issue. ... except for that small issue of taking massive loans to be paid by future generations ...
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