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deadpoet
#1721 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:17:46 PM
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UK’s Chief Medical Officer (CMO), Chris Whitty

http://web.facebook.com/6676838...ideos/10160458586273868/corona briefing

EDIT: Very tellingly, he uses the word 'epidemic' rather than 'pandemic.' If it truly was a pandemic, you'd be seeing dead bodies on the street by now.
mpobiz
#1722 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:57:56 PM
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deadpoet wrote:


When I see such a video it just proof magufuli was right.

It's laughable that some of you think that your government has done something different from the Tanzanian one. They also think the TZ government is saying there is no covid in their country. That's totally false. The tz government was the the first to recognize corona in their country. I remember they were putting people in quarantine in March just like us here. I don't exactly know where they changed their minds and decided to take a casual move. But I think it happened when the very first people to be put in quarantine healed and walked home. Without any medications because we all know the infection has no cure.
the government now treats the infection just like a simple homa. That won't stop you from kuchapa kazi.
I want you to ask yourself a few questions.
1. How has the night curfew helped. During the day it's crowding as usual.
2. How comes after isilii was locked down some positive suspects had already travelled some to mandera while some to namanga? Remember nairobi is locked.
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murchr
#1723 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 1:56:27 AM
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What is the end game?

CNN wrote:
Millions of people in Wuhan will be tested for the novel coronavirus within the coming days, after a new cluster of cases emerged despite a strict 76-day lockdown that was intended to eliminate the virus from the central Chinese city.

Over the weekend, six new cases were reported in the city, the first in 35 consecutive days. None of the new cases were imported from overseas, sparking concern that the infection could still be spreading in the city where the virus is thought to have first emerged.
In response to the outbreak, authorities in Wuhan will conduct city-wide nucleic acid testing over a period of 10 days, according to an emergency notice issued by local authorities and circulated by state run media outlet The Paper.


90+% testing of the population
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Bigchick
#1724 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:23:41 AM
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mpobiz wrote:
deadpoet wrote:


When I see such a video it just proof magufuli was right.

It's laughable that some of you think that your government has done something different from the Tanzanian one. They also think the TZ government is saying there is no covid in their country. That's totally false. The tz government was the the first to recognize corona in their country. I remember they were putting people in quarantine in March just like us here. I don't exactly know where they changed their minds and decided to take a casual move. But I think it happened when the very first people to be put in quarantine healed and walked home. Without any medications because we all know the infection has no cure.
the government now treats the infection just like a simple homa. That won't stop you from kuchapa kazi.
I want you to ask yourself a few questions.
1. How has the night curfew helped. During the day it's crowding as usual.
2. How comes after isilii was locked down some positive suspects had already travelled some to mandera while some to namanga? Remember nairobi is locked.



Night curfew has helped stop the spread.Yes we do not have many people meeting in pubs,in keshas,in harambees and other gatherings where the spread could happen.

No during the day the crowds ate not the same.
We have changed.A good number works from home,another good number moved to shags,those who go to the office observe some health protocal.

Yes the measures have helped to sensotoze us that its a serious disease,they have hhelped manage the spread and have given us time to observe and make informed decisions abour the virus.

60 days plus we can start going back to build our economy but with alot of caution.
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T-Bag
#1725 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:46:58 AM
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mpobiz wrote:
deadpoet wrote:


When I see such a video it just proof magufuli was right.

It's laughable that some of you think that your government has done something different from the Tanzanian one. They also think the TZ government is saying there is no covid in their country. That's totally false. The tz government was the the first to recognize corona in their country. I remember they were putting people in quarantine in March just like us here. I don't exactly know where they changed their minds and decided to take a casual move. But I think it happened when the very first people to be put in quarantine healed and walked home. Without any medications because we all know the infection has no cure.
the government now treats the infection just like a simple homa. That won't stop you from kuchapa kazi.
I want you to ask yourself a few questions.
1. How has the night curfew helped. During the day it's crowding as usual.
2. How comes after isilii was locked down some positive suspects had already travelled some to mandera while some to namanga? Remember nairobi is locked.


I prefer governments take all measures to contain the spread and later be proven wrong or some efforts proven ineffective in hindsight rather than to argue on what works or not in foresight and later suffer the adverse kwensekwenses; Error on the side of caution ok
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masukuma
#1726 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:25:38 AM
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mpobiz wrote:
deadpoet wrote:


When I see such a video it just proof magufuli was right.

It's laughable that some of you think that your government has done something different from the Tanzanian one. They also think the TZ government is saying there is no covid in their country. That's totally false. The tz government was the the first to recognize corona in their country. I remember they were putting people in quarantine in March just like us here. I don't exactly know where they changed their minds and decided to take a casual move. But I think it happened when the very first people to be put in quarantine healed and walked home. Without any medications because we all know the infection has no cure.
the government now treats the infection just like a simple homa. That won't stop you from kuchapa kazi.
I want you to ask yourself a few questions.
1. How has the night curfew helped. During the day it's crowding as usual.
2. How comes after isilii was locked down some positive suspects had already travelled some to mandera while some to namanga? Remember nairobi is locked.



@mpobiz, your memory is a bit shaky. The first of the Mandera cases were not from Eastleigh but Mombasa. 2 people went to Mandera through Garissa by bus just before the containment strategy was put in place. These 2 were from Dubai (if I remember correctly). Their's was one of the things that actually made government to contain Nairobi.

Secondly, the guy recording is not wrong - I am sure the recording was done after the WHO-China report done between the 16th and 24th of Feb. it highlights. He his not wrong! No one has doubtled those stats (but each country has had )
but a number of things have changed since then.
1) Italy Happened! The New York happened! When people realized that the minority that gets sick in a free-for-all scenario will choke a healthcare system.
2) The social distancing idea and isolating the sick followed this so as to flatten the curve. Remember flattening the curve was meant to ensure that the people who will eventully get sick don't get sick at the same time. this gives people some time to conjure cures (treatments) and vaccines.
3) The discovery that for a disease like this it will take over 60% of the succeptible population to get ill and recover for a society to get 'Herd Immunity' (Kenya has 50,000,000 people and that means 30,000,000 must get sick to make the disease chill, the severe cases would be (according to the WHO report - 15-20% in Kenya it would be 4.5M to 6M people eventually having severe cases and if 5% died 1.5M would die... EVENTUALLY))
4) That the disease has a few mutations and the longer it stays in the population - the more likely whatever cures and vaccines you conjure up may be unable to handle the new strains that will inevitablly pop up if we let this thing become endemic.

Here is an example of how simple things like eradicating Buffets limit the spread of viruses


In wise words of Thomas Sowell - there are no solutions, just tradeoffs. It's actually possible to find a sweet spot to address the challenges of Covid, an economic system that is suffering underneath the weight of all the measures and government overreaching


These are unprecedented times.
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aemathenge
#1727 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:52:17 PM
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alma1 wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
MoH is definitely under-testing, someone tell me why pris?

Bureaucratic Red Tape.
Lethargic Civil Service.
Distracted Political Machinery.
Fiscal Indiscipline and Insufficiency.
Health Personnel Inadequacy.
Distrust Of Anything Government On The Ground.
Lack of appropriate equipment, and where available, lack of operation, repairs, and maintenance technician level personnel.
(All Cadre of Public Health Personnel Have Given A Strike Notice.)
A Distracted Political Leadership.
I could on all day but this is really depressing.


All this may be true....or not.

But if you are going to make what seems like a reasonable argument, please include all the possible parameters

Kenyans are stupid
Kenyans have been scared to not test

most important

Maybe, just maybe the MOH is working within it's current limitations, including you personally one day saying here on wazua that medics should not be funded

Maybe, we went wrong with devolution of health care....

many many reasons

I on my part believe in the technical team in this pandemic issue.

Using the resources they have to maximum results. We know we can't test 100k a day like the US. So we rely on contact tracing which has worked before even for Ebola.

I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt. What the East African countries have done will be tought in Medical School on how to deal with pandemics.

We have an opposite scenario just 200km away in TZ. Trust me, you do not want to be in TZ right now.

Celebrate our MOH team from our nurses to the policy makers. Only TZ knows what kind of shit we would be right now.


Your expectations of the delivery is so naive sometimes I wonder if you are actually in Kenia.

Perhaps this article from the Nation Newspapers will paint a better picture of what I allude to.

[quote]Kemri is dead broke amid Covid-19 fight

WEDNESDAY MAY 13 2020


The Kenya Medical Research Institute (Kemri) is so broke that it cannot replenish Covid-19 testing materials, protective gear and the much-needed reagents.

Director-General Yeri Kombe, in a report to the National Assembly Health Committee, says they have exhausted the Sh158 million Covid-19 funds they received from the government.

He told the committee that the institute has reallocated some of the money it had budgeted for research to respond to the pandemic.

TURF WARS

The agency, which has been embroiled in turf wars with the National Influenza Centre, is exploring other ways of supporting the proposed Covid-19 research areas, especially those of immediate impact.

Kemri is now seeking Sh950 million to hire personnel, buy equipment and fund other programmes.

In order to increase capacity, screening kits production and vaccine development, Kemri is looking for Sh250 million to procure equipment like freezers, autoclave, DNA synthesisers, protein synthesisers, guillotines and illimuna sequencers.

Some Sh540 million will go into buying coronavirus reagents and screening materials.

“A lot of reagents and materials are being used in screening and testing of the virus.

The institute has utilised most of the available resources and there is a need to procure more laboratory and personal protective equipment,” Prof Yombe says in the report.

Kemri is also looking for Sh100 million to hire more staff after getting government’s green light to employ 62 more scientists.

“Apart from the internal funding reallocation, the management will be approaching the Kenya National Research Fund, the East Africa Research Fund, Drugs for Neglected Diseases Initiative and other donors to bridge the gap,” Kemri’s budget proposal reads in part.

The institute is seeking to buy more N95 face masks and other personal protective equipment.

CONSUMABLES

Prof Kombe said the last of the remaining 50 pieces will be used up in the next few days and that there is a need to restock urgently.

He decried the unpredictable supply of consumables and other materials used to carry out tests.

“Kemri was supplied with 1,344 kits for the automated analysis.

The institute is waiting for 26,000 kits from the Clinton Foundation and the Ministry of Health.

The kits will be used up within a day, considering the current trend of testing,” he said.

Kemri has laboratories in Kilifi, Nairobi, Kericho, Kisumu and Busia with a capacity of testing 100,000 samples per week.

This means that, even if the kits are released today, they can only last a day.

Kemri has tested over 8,500 samples since the first case was reported.

The testing is highly automated and employs Cobas 8800 and PCR machines.

Nine out of 14 laboratories in the country with these equipment are in Kemri.

Prof Yombe also raised concerns over the delays in freight and clearance of items and equipment.

“Important items and equipment are taking long to be cleared at the port, thus delaying some of the activities,” he said.

COVID-19 VACCINE

Amid the challenges, Kemri has received a request from the Pharmacy and Poisons Board to evaluate Covid-19 test kits that may be used in the country.

“In addition, the institute has also been nominated by Africa CDC as a centre of excellence in evaluation of Covid-19 diagnostics in the continent.

In this respect, Kemri is already involved in the validation and evaluation of commercial and other kits,” states the report.

The agency has also initiated the development of a Covid-19 vaccine candidate.

“Kemri has commenced exploring efficacy of its in-house product Zudepex and other natural products against Covid-19,” says the report.

Zudepex is an antiviral drug that is used to treat herpes.

It was patented in 2016 and registered as a herbal product by the PPB the same year.

It is available in powder form packed in 250-gramme containers.

SOURCE:
https://www.nation.co.ke...51012-6m3puz/index.html[/quote]
thuks
#1728 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:48:20 PM
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masukuma
#1729 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:53:49 PM
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#1730 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:54:45 PM
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So the US which already has >80,000 corona deaths is trying to advice TZ which has only a few deaths. The ambassador should take his advice to Trump.
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