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mpobiz		#1701 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:14:49 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264		masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: mkenyan wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: mkenyan wrote: masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party. February flu keeps popping up Quote: Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote: The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. Do you remember telling us that?(in red) All symptoms had cleared. How can TB symptoms clear in a month? Now you tell us he was infected with In his second stay in hospital. That might be true also. I was not telling you! I was ASKING YOU A QUESTION that was never answered! Read this and tell me WHO TOLD YOU THE TB SYMPTOMS DISAPPEARED! Nation wrote: The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. Sources at the hospital told the Nation that the patient developed severe breathing problems, prompting doctors to test him for Covid-19. Among those who could be quarantined are health workers who attended to him at the facility and the people he interacted with on the 40km journey to Nakuru town by matatu. P.S. they tested him AFTER he Quote: developed severe breathing problems during the 28 days he was hospitalized for TB. Can I alaso ask you a question? Is tuberculosis not associated with servere breathing problems? How comes the same servere breathing problems that appeared in February cleared and the boy went home? When the same doctors noticed the boy was back in April with the same servere breathing problems why did they decide to test for covid? In sever cases - most common symptom is coughing and coughing and coughing. Remember the timeline. Am I the only person who knows how to read here? They tested for Covid during the 28 day stay at the hospital when the patient DEVELOPED SEVERE BREATHING PROBLEMS. It’s right there in the news article. So you mean that the poor boy suffers from both tuberculosis and covid 19? Hapo ni maombi tu *Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...*
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masukuma		#1702 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:26:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: mkenyan wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: wukan wrote: mkenyan wrote: masukuma, i get your point and as you have raised before earlier in the thread. however, the getting of a positive case out of 3,809 tests (the same as with the kenya's low percentages on the targeted testing) cannot be used to discredit the theory that the disease may have been here longer. they are not doing a serology test to see if people have been infected before the test is for those who are currently positive. meaning if angelica's theory is right those low positives we are getting are only for those who came late to the party. February flu keeps popping up Quote: Health officials in Nakuru County are searching for at least 20 people who got into contact with a 13-year-old Covid-19 patient. The boy from Nyakinyua village in Solai, Subukia Sub-county, was one of the 25 new patients the Health ministry announced on Thursday evening. Nakuru's Health executive Gichuki Kariuki said the patient was taken to Nakuru Level Five Hospital and that the officials had embarked on rapid contact tracing. TUBERCULOSIS The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. https://www.nation.co.ke...46332-mk12wq/index.html He may have been sick in February with TB and not necessarily COVID. Since he cannot have had Covid for 90+ days within him only for it to manifest now. The other thing is the Dec and Jan “bad flu” had symptom. Did anyone report Fevers specifically (that’s a huge sign of Covid). Ama ni kukohoa na makamasi (the last one not guaranteed to accompany Covid)?. How comes these symptoms suddenly disappeared and yet the disease was supposed to be spreading ? Have you considered that he may be reinfected? If nobody knows what is going on in the family or the village. The rate of infection and reinfection is unavoidable. masukuma's position is most likely correct. the last i read, the cases of people testing positive after recovery were actually false positives. It's very clear there was a mis diagnosis of this boy's ilness. When he went to the doctors in February the doctors immediately put the boy into TB meds. The boy goes home and all is well. He goes back to the hospital in april when the same symptoms paper again and the doctors now decide to do a covid test. They now discover the boy has been suffering from corona. On average TB treatment takes about 6 months. So you can't say that the boy is TB free and now has covid. The only explanation for this is that the boy went home and felt better(healed) only to be reinfected by a relative. Then he suffers the same syptoms and then goes back to the hospital. I hope that explains your 90+ days suspicion. So he was unfortunate enough to be caught by the disease in Feb in his village, he became symptomatic went to hospital was misdiagonised. Went home and recovered from it. Was reinfected again by the same strain in his village within an approx 60 day period - became symptomatic again, went to hospital was hospitalized for 28 days when they discovered he has Covid. No one else in his village has gotten bad enough to want to see a doctor - just him...twice! While the disease is new and we don't know the extreme behaviors here is an even simpler (more likely) explanation Nation wrote: The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. He was readmitted on April 13 for TB and was infected by a yet to be identified person who had been/is hospitalized/visited the hospital who actually has Covid. Remember he had been in the hospital for 28-days since April 13 before he was tested and found to have the virus. The symptoms generally take between 2 and 14 days to manifest but the majority have theirs on the 5th day or thereabout. The sickness generally takes 2 weeks (14 days) for 'mild' symptoms to disappear. so this would fit firmly within the 28 day period he was hospitalized. Do you remember telling us that?(in red) All symptoms had cleared. How can TB symptoms clear in a month? Now you tell us he was infected with In his second stay in hospital. That might be true also. I was not telling you! I was ASKING YOU A QUESTION that was never answered! Read this and tell me WHO TOLD YOU THE TB SYMPTOMS DISAPPEARED! Nation wrote: The Nation learnt that the boy first sought treatment for tuberculosis at the facility in February. He was released to go home but he was readmitted on April 13 and found to have the coronavirus after a 28-day stay at the hospital. Sources at the hospital told the Nation that the patient developed severe breathing problems, prompting doctors to test him for Covid-19. Among those who could be quarantined are health workers who attended to him at the facility and the people he interacted with on the 40km journey to Nakuru town by matatu. P.S. they tested him AFTER he Quote: developed severe breathing problems during the 28 days he was hospitalized for TB. Can I alaso ask you a question? Is tuberculosis not associated with servere breathing problems? How comes the same servere breathing problems that appeared in February cleared and the boy went home? When the same doctors noticed the boy was back in April with the same servere breathing problems why did they decide to test for covid? In sever cases - most common symptom is coughing and coughing and coughing. Remember the timeline. Am I the only person who knows how to read here? They tested for Covid during the 28 day stay at the hospital when the patient DEVELOPED SEVERE BREATHING PROBLEMS. It’s right there in the news article. So you mean that the poor boy suffers from both tuberculosis and covid 19? Hapo ni maombi tu That’s my understanding of the news article All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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mpobiz		#1703 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:03:11 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264		masukuma wrote: Lolest! wrote: Doktari just reminding us about a similar case Measures put in place are not the same. US was not testing at that point US has not implemented contact tracing US was quarantining/isolating people at home What do you mean that the US was not testing? Where did they get the 500 confirmed cases and the 22 deaths? So the more you test the more people get infected? Does it mean that if their testing capabilities was like ours here there could be no deaths or people sick in hospitals? Their only form of contact Tracing Is in form of an app they are trying to introduce. How do you conduct Kenyan style of contact Tracing from 1m confirmed cases?. The app is meant to warn someone if one of your close contact has tested positive and keep off. I have also noticed just like HIV truck drivers have been discovered as the number one spreaders. But I foresee the disruptions that will occur will be like the government shooting its own foot. *Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...*
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whiteowl		#1704 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:12:32 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove		Lolest! wrote: Tough new measures by MoH on truck drivers. Drivers will have to be tested & carry with them proof of that test for clearance in subsequent roadblocks all the way from Mombasa Trucks stopping points have been reduced as a containment measure What is testing people in motion set to achieve considering this disease can stay undetected for a couple of days?
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masukuma		#1705 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:18:27 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: Lolest! wrote: Doktari just reminding us about a similar case Measures put in place are not the same. US was not testing at that point US has not implemented contact tracing US was quarantining/isolating people at home What do you mean that the US was not testing? Where did they get the 500 confirmed cases and the 22 deaths? So the more you test the more people get infected? Does it mean that if their testing capabilities was like ours here there could be no deaths or people sick in hospitals? Their only form of contact Tracing Is in form of an app they are trying to introduce. How do you conduct Kenyan style of contact Tracing from 1m confirmed cases?. The app is meant to warn someone if one of your close contact has tested positive and keep off. I have also noticed just like HIV truck drivers have been discovered as the number one spreaders. But I foresee the disruptions that will occur will be like the government shooting its own foot. My post is a past tense thing - this was the situation BACK THEN. Correction - mass testing. They were only testing symptomatic people and it wasn’t even being done well as many people went to the ER during that time and were not tested. They had massive problems getting testing going. The US wasted valuable time at the beginning doing nothing but politics. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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mpobiz		#1706 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:45:14 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264		masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: Lolest! wrote: Doktari just reminding us about a similar case Measures put in place are not the same. US was not testing at that point US has not implemented contact tracing US was quarantining/isolating people at home What do you mean that the US was not testing? Where did they get the 500 confirmed cases and the 22 deaths? So the more you test the more people get infected? Does it mean that if their testing capabilities was like ours here there could be no deaths or people sick in hospitals? Their only form of contact Tracing Is in form of an app they are trying to introduce. How do you conduct Kenyan style of contact Tracing from 1m confirmed cases?. The app is meant to warn someone if one of your close contact has tested positive and keep off. I have also noticed just like HIV truck drivers have been discovered as the number one spreaders. But I foresee the disruptions that will occur will be like the government shooting its own foot. My post is a past tense thing - this was the situation BACK THEN. Correction - mass testing. They were only testing symptomatic people and it wasn’t even being done well as many people went to the ER during that time and were not tested. They had massive problems getting testing going. The US wasted valuable time at the beginning doing nothing but politics. Your statement is purely political. You sound like useless democrats. What was the government supposed to do that the UK. France, Italy did that averted their own catastrophe. What was mass testing supposed to achieve by then apart from a lot of negative cases thus wasting a lot of time? This is an invisible enemy trump said. You can't know which direction the enemy was going to take. You also know that the Chinese were hiding a lot of information about the infection which put a lot of this wazungu at risk. *Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...*
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murchr		#1707 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2020 4:28:11 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980		Seems like Zanzibar has decided to give its numbers without the involvement of Tanganyika. 480 + 29 = 509. WHO will take that "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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thuks		#1708 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2020 10:16:57 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575		mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: Lolest! wrote: Doktari just reminding us about a similar case Measures put in place are not the same. US was not testing at that point US has not implemented contact tracing US was quarantining/isolating people at home What do you mean that the US was not testing? Where did they get the 500 confirmed cases and the 22 deaths? So the more you test the more people get infected? Does it mean that if their testing capabilities was like ours here there could be no deaths or people sick in hospitals? Their only form of contact Tracing Is in form of an app they are trying to introduce. How do you conduct Kenyan style of contact Tracing from 1m confirmed cases?. The app is meant to warn someone if one of your close contact has tested positive and keep off. I have also noticed just like HIV truck drivers have been discovered as the number one spreaders. But I foresee the disruptions that will occur will be like the government shooting its own foot. My post is a past tense thing - this was the situation BACK THEN. Correction - mass testing. They were only testing symptomatic people and it wasn’t even being done well as many people went to the ER during that time and were not tested. They had massive problems getting testing going. The US wasted valuable time at the beginning doing nothing but politics. Your statement is purely political. You sound like useless democrats. What was the government supposed to do that the UK. France, Italy did that averted their own catastrophe. What was mass testing supposed to achieve by then apart from a lot of negative cases thus wasting a lot of time? This is an invisible enemy trump said. You can't know which direction the enemy was going to take. You also know that the Chinese were hiding a lot of information about the infection which put a lot of this wazungu at risk. The news of china hiding information is stale news. at most, they had 2 month head start. everybody should have gathered all the data the chinese had and hid by now AND acted on it I care!
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masukuma		#1709 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2020 10:18:35 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: mpobiz wrote: masukuma wrote: Lolest! wrote: Doktari just reminding us about a similar case Measures put in place are not the same. US was not testing at that point US has not implemented contact tracing US was quarantining/isolating people at home What do you mean that the US was not testing? Where did they get the 500 confirmed cases and the 22 deaths? So the more you test the more people get infected? Does it mean that if their testing capabilities was like ours here there could be no deaths or people sick in hospitals? Their only form of contact Tracing Is in form of an app they are trying to introduce. How do you conduct Kenyan style of contact Tracing from 1m confirmed cases?. The app is meant to warn someone if one of your close contact has tested positive and keep off. I have also noticed just like HIV truck drivers have been discovered as the number one spreaders. But I foresee the disruptions that will occur will be like the government shooting its own foot. My post is a past tense thing - this was the situation BACK THEN. Correction - mass testing. They were only testing symptomatic people and it wasn’t even being done well as many people went to the ER during that time and were not tested. They had massive problems getting testing going. The US wasted valuable time at the beginning doing nothing but politics. Your statement is purely political. You sound like useless democrats. What was the government supposed to do that the UK. France, Italy did that averted their own catastrophe. What was mass testing supposed to achieve by then apart from a lot of negative cases thus wasting a lot of time? This is an invisible enemy trump said. You can't know which direction the enemy was going to take. You also know that the Chinese were hiding a lot of information about the infection which put a lot of this wazungu at risk. You also know that the Chinese were hiding a lot of information about the infection which put a lot of this wazungu at risk Trump had his version of 'mnataka nifanye nini?'. Small actions early in the game avert the need of drastic actions later in the game. It appears that most people don't understand this until now - which is sad. simple measures in place during the first week of an epidemic saves you from lots of problems. But each country has it's own route to follow on this one. P.S. it's not the Democrats fault -its Trump's fault... he is the president. Not Obama... Not Pelosi. On the efficacy of Mass-Testing - aren't you the one who is critical about Kenya's response? mpobiz wrote: Testing of people from contact tracing is just an excuse for our very very very low testing capabilities. In the western world there are massive testing sites all over the country that allow everybody to have access to be tested. Also the government has not stigmatized positive cases by throwing them into quarantine. You are just asked to stay home untill the situation worsens. So in General everbody is happy to be tested. Here even the few testing sites that we have are Generally empty. mpobiz wrote: It's called Mass testing. Not target testing. Let them try the same here. The outcome will make Some of you to move to turbi desert. Lastly - Kindly decide whether it's a disease worth our time or not. it's either a consequential disease that China should have shared more information with us on and that's why it has killed many People OR it's such a useless disease that we are all panicking about - a disease that kills those who are dying anyway and is not worth all this drama. it cannot be both All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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alma1		#1710 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2020 10:50:09 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		Masukuma you are very patient. Please understand that Mpobiz's only goal in this conversation it to try and rack up as many posts as hardwood. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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